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Downrock 03-23-2005 05:00 PM

AKo from button
 
Hey guys, thanks for the comments and advice on the last hand. I've got another one here that I'd like some opinions on as to what i could have done differently. Thanks, help is always appreciated.


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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

SkyRocker 03-23-2005 05:05 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Raise the turn or river, you got a great hand!

SkyRocker

DeadRed 03-23-2005 05:08 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
I seem to be missing the part that says "Hero raises". [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] After the turn, aren't you convinced YHIG? I thought the call was a slow-play setting up a raise on the river, I personally would raise the turn bet and bet the river. What hands are likely from the CO that worry you? Just the fact that he bets into you should not be enough to slow you down.

KaiShin 03-23-2005 05:11 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Great hand.

I think once you lose CO on the turn, you should probably raise the river.

KaiShin 03-23-2005 05:13 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Read this thread for a similar situation.

Downrock 03-23-2005 05:29 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Thanks guys. I was afraid he'd have trips or two pair.. as I often am. That seems to be one of my biggest problems, crediting my opponents as always having the hand needed to beat me. Just wanted advice on whether I should be betting/raising this hand, now I know. Btw in the particular case he did in fact have me beat with pocket 4s.

kapw7 03-23-2005 05:30 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Just try to explain to us but most important to yourself. Why did you not raise the turn?
(Personally I would raise the flop, the turn and the river)

Downrock 03-23-2005 05:55 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Is it nonsensical here to assume my opponent has flopped 2 pair or trips? Is this a situation where i should be betting out no matter what?

LSUfan1 03-23-2005 06:12 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
[ QUOTE ]
Thanks guys. I was afraid he'd have trips or two pair.. as I often am. That seems to be one of my biggest problems, crediting my opponents as always having the hand needed to beat me. Just wanted advice on whether I should be betting/raising this hand, now I know. Btw in the particular case he did in fact have me beat with pocket 4s.


[/ QUOTE ]

This is a prime example of a weak play! I have been there far too often. Read and reread SSH, and make this a thing of the past.

I raise the flop here myself, and once the king spikes I either bet out or raise depending on the situation. At that point you will have a better idea of what is out against you.

Firefly 03-23-2005 06:14 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Yes, do not fear the monsters under the bed.....until they start giving you something to fear.

DocMartin 03-23-2005 06:29 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think once you lose CO on the turn, you should probably raise the turn .

[/ QUOTE ]

I corrected your post. The Entity post you referred to still had that caller along for the ride. No one else to string along in this hand, start collecting extra bets/find out if you are beat/charge for the suckout.

wabe 03-23-2005 08:26 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
Who else would raise the flop? I don't like that play at all. Poster seems to like his hand a lot, but a pair of 8s won't bet if you raise the flop and bet the turn. However, you give them 11:1 odds to call your raise. I wait until the turn.

themflags 03-23-2005 08:47 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
I'd say bet the turn. With a low flop like this, it probably missed most people. Otherwise, maybe MP1 has Q8 and is betting top pair. Even K8 or A8 still doesn't beat your TPTK. No point in making it cheap for them to draw a river card to a hand that could beat you.

When it seems like you've got the best hand, I'm a believer in making your opponents prove otherwise. A cheap or free draw opens risk to you.

themflags 03-23-2005 08:50 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
TYPO [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

It was bet to you. I meant raise the turn!

LSUfan1 03-23-2005 09:06 PM

Re: AKo from button
 
What you guys seem to forget is that you don't know the king is coming on the turn. I bet this flop to attempt to take this pot on the flop. When the king comes you can either bet out or raise if bet into. But with the mainly ragged flop I take a stab at it. maybe I'm wrong.


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