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May the winner be a cocky, arrogant, marketable, 19 year old who started playing six months ago. If so, 04 will look like a depression.

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He'll have to be 21. Also I've been playing for 1.5 years, but I'm pretty cocky.

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21 to gamble last time I checked.

But yes, it will be a lucky amatuer.

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as is most likely the case for the majority of years from now on....field is just too big

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sup bro hopes the winner is someone who had 15 tackles for losses in 1995

sup bro?

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sup bro played in a weak conference. t soprano made a living of pancaking young skinny white chumps like you. t soprano had 88 pancakes in '95!!!

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May the winner be a cocky, arrogant, marketable, 19 year old who started playing six months ago. If so, 04 will look like a depression.

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seriously.

those peddling fossils and fractions should be forced into a separate tournament where pots are always divided along EV lines. that tournament should not be televised but should be torrented for the twoplus community.

fim

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Well, I'll be 21 and 80 days when I play the main event (just won my seat on stars). I'm not exactly cocky or arrogant, but I'm sure I'll look like a fish when I win it.

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What was your route on stars to win a seat? Just one attempt at the higher buyin or?

The always curious >TW<

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Nah, I'd rather it be a mid-50's fat bald guy from Rhode Island. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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But yes, it will be a lucky amatuer.

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How can you say this? There will be at least 300 professionals playing in this tournament. To say that they have no chance at winning is foolish.

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How can you say this? There will be at least 300 professionals playing in this tournament. To say that they have no chance at winning is foolish.

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While amateurs make up a huge portion of the entries, I think a pro will win it this year.
Last year, some of the bigger names tried to bully the amateurs into submission with big raises and bluffs. Like Daniel N. said, a lot of the amateurs were too stupid to realize they shouldn't be calling and made the calls.
I'd be surprised if some of the favorites didn't just sit back for a little while and let the amateurs knock each other out then go to work when the field is down to a managable number.

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Last year, some of the bigger names tried to bully the amateurs into submission with big raises and bluffs. Like Daniel N. said, a lot of the amateurs were too stupid to realize they shouldn't be calling and made the calls.
I'd be surprised if some of the favorites didn't just sit back for a little while and let the amateurs knock each other out then go to work when the field is down to a managable number.

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When will it be a manageable number? You'll have to have 1/4 to 1/2 of a million in chips to be an average stack and facing a "manageable number" of players.

The key is to not bluff players who won't be bluffed, but to value bet them. Daniel made that mistake, and he knows it. So do some other players who made that mistake. I'm guilty of this myself sometimes, trying to bluff a player when I know their hand is pretty weak, but not making myself realize that this guy will call with that pocket pair of 6s when I push in on a flop of 4h9dJs (while holding AK).

The smart players do not merely survive the first couple of days, they use them to accummulate chips while there are still a lot of really weak players left in the field. They merely have to remember to accummulate chips intelligently, and not by trying to bulldoze the weak players.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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well said bro. if sup bro is fortunate enough to qualify, sup bro plans on bulldozing the stronger players instead of the weaker ones.

sup bro just played a double shootout to try and qualify. sup bro won his first table to make it to to the final table, where the winner would get a series seat. with nine players still left, blinds 15/30, sup bro was dealt:

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG limped
sup bro limped ?!
someone else limped, sup bro thinks it was the button, SB completed, BB checked

flop came something like:

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG bet 90
sup bro called ?!?!
fold
fold
fold

turn:

J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG bet 240
sup bro raised to 480

UTG takes a while, sup bro is sure he is folding, but he moves for his last 900? or so

sup bro calls

UTG turned over A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

river was a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

sup bro still had a few hundred left, until sup bro's AK lost to 88. sup bro thinks the man is trying to keep him down bro, but sup bro will never give up.

sup bro?

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bro, sup bro knows the only pancakes you had were at the waffle house on sunday mornings. if you tried to block sup bro, you would get flagged for holding and sup bro would still make the tackle for a loss.

sup bro?

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When will it be a manageable number? You'll have to have 1/4 to 1/2 of a million in chips to be an average stack and facing a "manageable number" of players.

The key is to not bluff players who won't be bluffed, but to value bet them. Daniel made that mistake, and he knows it. So do some other players who made that mistake. I'm guilty of this myself sometimes, trying to bluff a player when I know their hand is pretty weak, but not making myself realize that this guy will call with that pocket pair of 6s when I push in on a flop of 4h9dJs (while holding AK).

The smart players do not merely survive the first couple of days, they use them to accummulate chips while there are still a lot of really weak players left in the field. They merely have to remember to accummulate chips intelligently, and not by trying to bulldoze the weak players.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Yeah, that's along the lines of what I meant. I didn't mean the bigger names would play completely tight and wait for the amateurs to drop, but rather that they would play a little smarter than last year and, as cliche as it is, pick their spots. Obviously, trying to bully and bluff their way to the final table didn't work.

Speaking of the Main Event, have you qualified yet Greg?

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You don't need to qualify, just show up with $10,000. However, I do hope to win several seats on PS, since it's essentially the same as winning $10,000 cash for each one.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Good Luck Greg, Just stay a Gentleman , unlike Josh A.

Did you get some new glasses ? heh

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You don't need to qualify, just show up with $10,000. However, I do hope to win several seats on PS, since it's essentially the same as winning $10,000 cash for each one.

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I overheard you say at Rincon that you were a PStars employee (sort of) now so maybe you can answer my question. I won a main event seat on UB but really want to win more seats to play in the pre-lim events but pretty much every site seems to insist that I play the main event.
If I win a 10k seat on PStars will they let me play prelim events with the money? Can I only cash out the second, third, etc. wins? Any suggestions?

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I'm 21 and will be playing. I definately think if we see someone 21-24 years of age win the thing this year it will possibly extend the poker boom even further as the 18-20 year olds start dreaming of millions. I will gladly take the lead at the 21 year old to win it if need be. Although right now my only goal is to cash.
~Justin

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Good Luck Justin!

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Be real careful about winning seats on multiple sites. At PS, if you win 1 there, and then a 2nd, 3rd, etc., you can get W dollars or some such for the 2nd and subsequent wins. However, if you win a seat on UB and then again on PS, I don't know that PS will do anything for you at all. You will end up getting registered twice at Harrahs for the WSOP main event, and that's it. One seat where you'll play, and another one where you're a no-show, with $10,000 down the drain.

Don't try to win a seat on a second site until you've checked with them as to how they will handle it, or you could be playing in an event you effectively can't win.

later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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saabpo for 2005 champion

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You don't need to qualify, just show up with $10,000. However, I do hope to win several seats on PS, since it's essentially the same as winning $10,000 cash for each one.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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I hope the Rio security staff are on the look out for two guys and a spool of rope...

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You don't need to qualify, just show up with $10,000. However, I do hope to win several seats on PS, since it's essentially the same as winning $10,000 cash for each one.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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I hope the Rio security staff are on the look out for two guys and a spool of rope...

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Is it because you like always being a tool, or because you can't help yourself? Just trying to figure out if you deserve disrespect or pity.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Greg,

Ignore that guy. Can I ask you a question? After winning the WSOP2004 you yelled 'Cristo' or something like that. What does it mean?

Thanks,
Bocablkr

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he yelled presto, a hand name here at 2+2 for pocket 5s.

Do a search, you'll find it.

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Last year, some of the bigger names tried to bully the amateurs into submission with big raises and bluffs. Like Daniel N. said, a lot of the amateurs were too stupid to realize they shouldn't be calling and made the calls.

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Negreanu's style is that he is good on picking up reads and bluffing weaker players. That works well against the type of weak player Negreanu was used to encountering in a $10K tournament, that is a solid amateur or semipro player who was outclassed at that level. Against a real calling station type this kind of play is suicide. They showed Negreanu looking pretty silly on TV trying that sort of thing. Bluffing a calling station is a basic error that Brunson discusses in SS.

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Hi Greg,

you get the $10K in W$ though for each additional.
especially if you win numerous extra, that is quite a lot which you can only spend on a few events there.
Just a thought.

SD

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and it wasn't after winning the event (it may have looked like that due to an ESPN highlight reel) - it was after winning a big pot with pocket 5s. can't remember if he hit a set or not but the 5s held up.

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a hand name here at 2+2 for pocket 5s.


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I thought that was a RGP thing.

Regards,
Woodguy

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a hand name here at 2+2 for pocket 5s.


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I thought that was a RGP thing.

Regards,
Woodguy

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It was neither 2+2 nor RGP. It is mentioned in TJ and McEvoy's Championship No-Limit book, but I haven't read that in 5 years, so I can't quote who was "famous" for using the term. Some old-time guy though.

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bro, sup bro knows the only pancakes you had were at the waffle house on sunday mornings. if you tried to block sup bro, you would get flagged for holding and sup bro would still make the tackle for a loss.

sup bro?

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Shut up. You're not the real sup bro and nobody thinks you're funny.

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Thanks for all the answers guys - it did look like he said it at the end.

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Does anyone have an estiment of the number of people going to be in it?

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Does anyone have an estiment of the number of people going to be in it?

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Estimates are around 6,000-7,000.

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The Main Event has become a joke in the last couple of years. It's nothing but a crapshoot with internet freaks and geeks. The guy on TILT with the "Internet Finger" is the new avatar of the WSOP Main Event.

There are so many other tourneys with +EV and it's not even close.

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You don't need to qualify, just show up with $10,000. However, I do hope to win several seats on PS, since it's essentially the same as winning $10,000 cash for each one.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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I hope the Rio security staff are on the look out for two guys and a spool of rope...

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Is it because you like always being a tool, or because you can't help yourself? Just trying to figure out if you deserve disrespect or pity.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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....methinks giving him credit for being a tool is a bad read.......Not only is it overvalueing his 'cosmic' hand, but it is nasty slam of all the legitimate 'tools' out there..........