Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

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We are at the stage where we should take promise-to-pay orders for the new Pharaoh’s Club Paulson chip group buy. This set is in the final stages of design, and the public has been anxious to get the group buy rolling.

If you take part in this group buy, you will be getting the most unique and sought after new chip on the market, at a price that cannot be matched anywhere. See the end of this post for bigger mockups.

Use the following link to the “promise-to-pay” order form. It’s not meant as an actual order, just a way to get an assessment to where we stand on the quantity that we expect to order. Visit the form and tell me how many you plan to buy.

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Here are things we know for sure:
[*]Price will be the best I can get for us. If we go through a vendor, there will have to be an allowance made for them to profit on the deal. There would be no other reason for them to do it. They must cover their interest, credit card fees, and other costs, plus make a bit for themselves. No deal has been made yet, so I can’t tell you the actual price yet. It will most likely be between .90 and .95 cents, which is 25% to 30% off of retail price of $1.25. I’d be willing to bet that these sell for upwards of $1.50 each once the group buy is over.
[*]There will be seven denominations, and one blank. Eight designs in total. The orange $1000 will also be offered without a number as a “wild” chip to be used as anything you like.
[*]Each inlay will be the same except for the most prominent design element, the color graphic. This graphic changes on each denomination.
[*]The colors are not negotiable. We were limited to the same color choices that Paulson allows for ALL home chip sets.
[*]Inlays will be the best that we are allowed to get. Right now, that is round, standard sized inlay. Current word is that the mold is being changed to better fit a standard inlay. If shaped edges for the inlay are allowed, then we will order them. If possible, I will order a different inlay shape for each denomination, with round as the 25¢ chip.
[*]From the day that we place the order, it will be approximately 8-10 weeks for delivery to the vendor. I’d add another week for delivery to your door.

Ten


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Re: Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

I haven't answered the poll... my attraction to this buy was the shaped inlays. Without that I'll just be jealous of the owners of the chips [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Good luck all, I don't think getting 100k will be a problem.

One question Ten... will this buy be "available" after it's over like the egyptians and suits or will it be an exclusive one-time only offer?

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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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Wow, I can't believe how much better the chip with the concentric circles looks than the others. That would be sweet if they did that.

Very nice designs, by the way. I'm an especially big fan of the $100.

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I haven't answered the poll... my attraction to this buy was the shaped inlays. Without that I'll just be jealous of the owners of the chips [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Good luck all, I don't think getting 100k will be a problem.

One question Ten... will this buy be "available" after it's over like the egyptians and suits or will it be an exclusive one-time only offer?

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I have mockups of the shaped inlays, but we made them on GRAND size, as that information was passed to us. Until I have STANDARD size SHAPED mockups, I'm leaving the pictures above as-is.

However, here's a taste of what you can expect... only on a standard sized inlay...

Ten


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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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For now I've decided to keep it white.

Ten

Re: Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

Let's see... about three months (minimum?) between now and delivery?

Come on, June!!!!

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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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For now I've decided to keep it white.

Ten

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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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For now I've decided to keep it white.

Ten

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Blue is much nicer for the $1.00 chip. It is a very attractive chip where the white chip is very bland.

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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If that was directed at me, then you should know I will buy either way. I thought this board was a forum for the expression of ideas. I just wanted to express my preference. Have a nice day.

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I think we're gonna need to do some work on the blank orange chip. Anyone have any suggestions? It just looks "empty" on the bottom half.

Keep in mind, it's a $350 charge for major changes, and a $150 for minor ones....

Ten

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Put NCV.

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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If that was directed at me, then you should know I will buy either way. I thought this board was a forum for the expression of ideas. I just wanted to express my preference. Have a nice day.

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This one is directed at you. You SHOULD READ the (Re: XXX) in the message before you respond.

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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Exactly what bandwagon is it that I am jumping on?

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Make the grey bkg image red?
Use a red (or gold?) heiroglyphic?
Suits?
Stack of chips?
Raise Cairo in red?
Is there an Egyptian symbol for money/gold?

Just throwing out suggestions...


- Fins

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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Exactly what bandwagon is it that I am jumping on?

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What thread are you in?

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Is there an Egyptian symbol for money/gold?

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NOW you're talking. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] This is a great idea.... I'll get on that.

Ten

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Listen everyone, we need help on this one. We have a pretty lofty goal on this group guy - 100,000 chips. I know we can do it, but not just by Ten Percenter's word of mouth alone. I need everyone who wants this to happen to tell everyone you know.

I don't have much of a reach except on this board and on TH-P.com. I don't want to post anything over there until their board-sponsored group buy is over, sometime next week. My best friends aren't crazy enough to spend this kinda cash on poker chips. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

So, please, everyone get the word out. DO NOT SPAM, on boards or via email. If it's inappropriate to post this type of information on a board, then don't do it. If it is allowed, THEN DO IT.

Give people the URL to this thread so they can place their pre-order. Or better yet, here's a tiny URL for it:

http://tinyurl.com/4on7h



Ten

Re: Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

Ten and the artists: great job guys! I am loving this set. I, for one, actually really like the white $1 chip. Now I am just agonizing over what color breakdown I should get, and just how many chips I can justify buying. I am also curious to see how the order, price, and inlay details will work out, so keep those quick updates coming.

glider

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Is there an Egyptian symbol for money/gold?

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NOW you're talking. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] This is a great idea.... I'll get on that.

Ten

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Here is the Egyptian symbol for gold:

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The Egyptian symbol for gold is a collar with beads along the lower edge. Gold has long been associated with the gods and royalty. This imperishable metal reflects the brilliance of the sun and the hope of eternal life. Isis and Nephthys, two of the goddesses who protected the dead, are often shown kneeling on the gold sign at the ends of royal coffins.


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kinda boring.... maybe just an ankh?

Ten

Re: Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

How 'bout another poll --

When will the first auction for these new chips be on eBay?
( ) 24 hours
( ) 3 days
( ) 1 week

Will it include stealing Ten's mockup graphics?
( ) Yes
( ) Yes

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How 'bout another poll --

When will the first auction for these new chips be on eBay?
( ) 24 hours
( ) 3 days
( ) 1 week

Will it include stealing Ten's mockup graphics?
( ) Yes
( ) Yes

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hmm, that's another idea. sell pre-orders on ebay? that sure would help us reach the goal. but it's also probably not allowed. i'm an established ebay seller, but i dont know that answer.

ten

edit: wife says its a bad idea. (prolly right) people will never want to wait that long, and will start giving bad feedback.

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I think we're gonna need to do some work on the blank orange chip. Anyone have any suggestions? It just looks "empty" on the bottom half.

Keep in mind, it's a $350 charge for major changes, and a $150 for minor ones....

Ten

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whats $350 when you are spending $90,000 ?

[sarcasm]the inlay shape is going to look real good on the white chip[/sarcasm]

is it me or do these seem waaay overpriced? a chipco group buy was recently completeted where 20,000 chips were .72 each. makes you wonder whats really going on behind the scenes. the more hands it goes through, the less of a discount we will get. trademark needs their cut, Ten needs his cut, and paulson needs their cut. im not accusing anyone of anything yet, but i just cant understand this logically that a 100,000 chip order is going to cost .90 cents a chip. it doesnt compute in my mind. dont get me wrong, i would love to own a set of these, i just cant come to grips with paying this much.

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I think we're gonna need to do some work on the blank orange chip. Anyone have any suggestions? It just looks "empty" on the bottom half.

Keep in mind, it's a $350 charge for major changes, and a $150 for minor ones....

Ten

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whats $350 when you are spending $90,000 ?

[sarcasm]the inlay shape is going to look real good on the white chip[/sarcasm]

is it me or do these seem waaay overpriced? a chipco group buy was recently completeted where 20,000 chips were .72 each. makes you wonder whats really going on behind the scenes. the more hands it goes through, the less of a discount we will get. trademark needs their cut, Ten needs his cut, and paulson needs their cut. im not accusing anyone of anything yet, but i just cant understand this logically that a 100,000 chip order is going to cost .90 cents a chip. it doesnt compute in my mind. dont get me wrong, i would love to own a set of these, i just cant come to grips with paying this much.

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i believe ten's cut will be 0 dollars. but your post brings to mind a certain thought that has been stated before. it goes something like "you have choices. you can always choose to go elsewhere."

another thought: chipcos retail at $1. paulson JB's retail at $1.15.

recently you posted that they should go for .6 in this group buy. i think you're dreaming.

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I love the chips Ten. Even without shaped inlays I think I'm in, but the shaped inlays makes it definite. I'd still like to see a $5000 chip though.

I agree - ya need something to differentiate the blank. How about instead of using the Nefertiti image use the Kephera, Osiris or perhaps Ra? Here is a good Ra design (sorry, no tiny link): Ra image

Here is an Osiris: Osiris

I would think Ra would be a good fit with the orange color.

Wooderson

ps: oh yeah, what's the concentric cirlce thing i've heard a few people mention?

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i believe ten's cut will be 0 dollars. but your post brings to mind a certain thought that has been stated before. it goes something like "you have choices. you can always choose to go elsewhere."

another thought: chipcos retail at $1. paulson JB's retail at $1.15.

recently you posted that they should go for .6 in this group buy. i think you're dreaming.

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lets be real here. something just smells awefully fishy. we are ordering 100,000 chips and the best you can do is .90 cents a chip? ok lets look at the dice702 chips. he sells 5,000 chips for .92 cents each. are you telling me he is only making 2 cents a chip? please, get real. i am not buying it. be realistic people and use some common sense.

and btw, i believe ten is making 0 profit. i was simply making a point. i would trust that he would be completely honest about this.

and btw, Chipcos now retail for 1.10 .

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recently you posted that they should go for .6 in this group buy. i think you're dreaming

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based on the amount ordered and the price of dice's chips, i am saying that this is where the right price should be.

Re: Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

Personally, I wasn't expecting much less than .90 per chip, which is &gt;25% discount of $1.25/chip retail (JB's are going for $1.50/chip). 100,000 is the MINIMUM sized order for a custom chip, I can't imagine they're going to give a %50 discount for that order. Trademark's website states that "Best bulk pricing will be for order of 250,000 pieces or more", and we are nowhere near that size. And, you have to remember this is Paulson, the granddaddy of poker chips. They know that they can keep their prices high because of the demand for their chips, and that people are willing to pay high prices for their product (Just look at what their chips were selling for on eBay). Also, they just re-entered the consumer market this year, which makes the demand for these chips even higher. Paulson and Trademark are businesses, and they're going to try to make as much money as possible, and even though that sucks, you can't really hold that against them. And, AFAIK, Ten's not going to make a profit on these things, but if he does make a couple bucks on the side, I don't mind considering all the hard work he's put into it. In the end, I'm happy as long as I'm getting Paulson chips with a nice design at or below the price of the current crappy designs. I'm doing it more for the chips than for the price.

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I know the answer to this is probably no, but is there any chance of getting the other chips (apart from the orange) without denominations on them? I ask because I think the design and the colors are great, but I would be using them for a home game, and I would prefer the flexibility that chips without denominations offer.

Thanks in advance for what I'm sure will be a resounding "No" [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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Personally, I wasn't expecting much less than .90 per chip, which is &gt;25% discount of $1.25/chip retail (JB's are going for $1.50/chip). 100,000 is the MINIMUM sized order for a custom chip, I can't imagine they're going to give a %50 discount for that order. Trademark's website states that "Best bulk pricing will be for order of 250,000 pieces or more", and we are nowhere near that size. And, you have to remember this is Paulson, the granddaddy of poker chips. They know that they can keep their prices high because of the demand for their chips, and that people are willing to pay high prices for their product (Just look at what their chips were selling for on eBay). Also, they just re-entered the consumer market this year, which makes the demand for these chips even higher. Paulson and Trademark are businesses, and they're going to try to make as much money as possible, and even though that sucks, you can't really hold that against them. And, AFAIK, Ten's not going to make a profit on these things, but if he does make a couple bucks on the side, I don't mind considering all the hard work he's put into it. In the end, I'm happy as long as I'm getting Paulson chips with a nice design at or below the price of the current crappy designs. I'm doing it more for the chips than for the price.

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good points. so what im gathering then is that Paulson and Trademark views this group buy as consumers rather than retailers. so they will gouge us as much as they possibly can, and therefore give us zero breaks on price. im sure that trademark realizes the frenzy that we are creating with this and is thus capitalizing on our excitment. understandable, any smart businessman would do the same. but like i said, at this volume, i cant justify that price in my mind, especially when we are going directly to the manufacturer (albeit via trademark).

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Chipcos now retail for 1.10 .

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classics
egyptians
suits

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I’d be willing to bet that these sell for upwards of $1.50 each once the group buy is over.

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So this wouldn't be a one shot deal?

Re: Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

Ten,

I voted yes to the poll, but I did not fill out the promise-to-pay order form just yet. It is just too early for me for the following reasons:

I'm not 100% convinced that there will be concentric circles, that the inlay size is certain(new mold), unknown price, etc, etc - I anticipate that a number of changes will occur(it is a given that the process at this stage requires it). I guess what I'm saying is - if I commit, I'm commited, and will do so after the entire process is 100% certain. To be honest, I don't think that it would be a bad idea to wait until after mid-April when trademark.com will be selling samples in the new mold so people can buy them and see them first hand like many of us have with the Paulson JB's with the goofy inlays.

All that said, I'm 99.9% sure I will see these delivered to my doorstep. I really like what you are doing Ten - props to you!( I click on the home poker forum 1000 times a day to see how things are coming) [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

P.S. $1 white chips - sweet. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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.... and therefore give us zero breaks on price.

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It looks like it may be a 15-25% price break to me - on top of the fact that these will be more unique, and way better looking than any other Paulsons on the market. I see only +EV.

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For anyone who's suddenly an expert on the economics of the manufacture and sale of custom poker chips:

I'm sure if you could put together a group buy that's significantly cheaper, people would flock to it.

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Ten: You changed the blue chip, that was awesome, what happened???

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I voted yes to the poll, but I did not fill out the promise-to-pay order form just yet. It is just too early for me for the following reasons:

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Same here. I'd like to see what the final mold is going to look like before committing. If I like it, I'm in for 500-1000.

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good points. so what im gathering then is that Paulson and Trademark views this group buy as consumers rather than retailers. so they will gouge us as much as they possibly can, and therefore give us zero breaks on price. im sure that trademark realizes the frenzy that we are creating with this and is thus capitalizing on our excitment. understandable, any smart businessman would do the same. but like i said, at this volume, i cant justify that price in my mind, especially when we are going directly to the manufacturer (albeit via trademark).

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I wanted to address the price issue that Duma brought up...

(here I deleted about 10 bulleted, valid points explaining why the price is this "high"...... compared to Chipco, my first group buy that was .95 each, etc...deleted because it is really so simple):

The simple fact is that we are thinking that .90 price is 'high' because our current point of view is "we pay $1 per chip for good chips." You have to be thinking of these Paulsons as "$1.50 per chip." or at the very least, "$1.25 per chip." Then it makes complete sense. At that price, we are getting 25% off, or more. I was happy as a lark to get that much off of dinky stuff at 5star last Christmas...

Facts:
Paulsons are more expensive retail price.
They don't offer as good wholesale prices as other chip manufacturers.
They're less flexible.

We MUST buy via Trademark. (or a retail vendor and pay more (Dice702). We MUST go through a retail vendor to do the individual purchases. The other sales option is that I buy them personally, and sell them personally. I sure don't want to do that, and the group buy quantity would suffer because of the factor of not allowing credit card purchases.

If we avoided a middle man (vendor) our price would still be .90 or more! Off the top of my head: Wholesale price (at least .75-.80), PayPal/escrow fees (.03-.05), art fees (.02-.03), shaped inlay fees (Trademark say this might happen), shipping (.03-.04), and any interest I may incur if I fronted all the money. And any other costs I can’t think of right now. It adds up quickly.

Ten

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Ten and the artists: great job guys! I am loving this set. I, for one, actually really like the white $1 chip. Now I am just agonizing over what color breakdown I should get, and just how many chips I can justify buying. I am also curious to see how the order, price, and inlay details will work out, so keep those quick updates coming.

glider

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Welcome to the board glider, and thatnks for the kind words.

Ten

Re: Pharaoh\'s Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread
 

WHOA, you changed the $1 to white? I thought you were going with blue?

Anyways, if you decide to have a $1 Blue I will be down for 2500 chips. The white paulsons look horrible after 2 hours of play.