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From Dan Negreanu's website. Allegations of blasphemy or not? What do you think?

"Well, I'm not so sure about that. First of all Barry doesn't believe in Heaven, Hell, or God for that matter. He is a proud atheist along with Chris Ferguson. Both men mocking the idea that there is a God claiming that there is no contemporary evidence to prove Jesus' existence.

I remember talking to Chris Ferguson about it one night and he looked at me like I was delusional. I was trying to explain to him that calling himself Jesus, especially considering his beliefs, is very offensive to the majority of this country."

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Must the religious complain about everything?

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Speak the truth ma brother! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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The NFLs immaculate reception from the Superbowl years ago is offensive to many people too, yet it is still widespread and replayed many times each year.

His nickname is Jesus because he looks like what people think jesus looked like, big deal.

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The NFLs immaculate reception from the Superbowl years ago is offensive to many people too, yet it is still widespread and replayed many times each year.

His nickname is Jesus because he looks like what people think jesus looked like, big deal.

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Exactly. And if there is a God, a Jesus, an All-Mighty, then I am quite sure he would have a sense of humor about Chris Ferguson's nickname. I mean, if God is all-poweful, then logic dictates he would have the best sense of humor, too, no?

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Chris Ferguson, like many prominent people, didn't chose his nickname [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Others take care of that.

As an atheist, I was heartened to see that Barry Greenstein has donated large amounts of money to charity, eschewing those with a religious bent. As he said in an interview, he wants to feed, clothe and put a roof over poverty stricken kids' heads, without trying to proselytize to them.

There is a belief among some people that an atheist can't at the same time be a moral and kind person. Of course this is untrue, and people like Barry help confirm that.

Frank

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There is a belief among some people that an atheist can't at the same time be a moral and kind person. Of course this is untrue.


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Most atheists happen to be greedy though, although there are a few exceptions (barry greenstein like you mentioned) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I always felt like casinos and poker rooms were sanctuaries for making fun of Christians. Isn't gambling a sin? It is kinda like making fun of the Amish on TV.

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The NFLs immaculate reception from the Superbowl years ago is offensive to many people too, yet it is still widespread and replayed many times each year.

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As a Steeler fan, I must take offense to this.

It wasn't in the Superbowl.

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Too bad religion is a joke and a crutch for the weak who are afraid that there may not be an afterlife.

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If Ferguson is Jesus, then is Sklansky Ferguson's dad?

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Most atheists happen to be greedy though, although there are a few exceptions (barry greenstein like you mentioned) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Most everything happen to be greedy.

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So you talked to Chris Ferguson. Congrats.

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Most christians happen to be idiots though, although there are a few exceptions:)

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Fixed your post for ya.

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Most christians happen to be idiots though, although there are a few exceptions:)

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Fixed your post for ya.

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LMFAO [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I guess it would be super-blasphemous to refer to a beat suffered by Fergusen as a Crucifiction?

(If he rebuys, is it Resurrection?)

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first off, I highly doubt that Chris Ferguson gave himself that name.

Second, the only ones it will offend are Christians - the Jewish people don't believe he was the Messiah, and they're the ones who are ultra picky about names, leaving out vowels thinking it's disrespectful to say God's full name (hence G-D or YHWH) -

Third, given the context of biblical teaching, it's not taking the Lord's name in vain - there are many people (esp. of spanish descent) named Jesus - and as a nickname, well, shoot, I don't think he named himself that - he doesn't have that on his FTP avatar - and in any case, I've never heard him refer to himself as Jesus so who gives a rat's ass. And if he did, who cares. My faith is not dependant on what he believes or calls himself. I'd be more disturbed if he called himself Satan or Lucifer or Beelezbub.

If however, he refers to himself as the messiah and the light of the world, I'm closing down my Full Tilt account [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

RB

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So you talked to Chris Ferguson. Congrats.

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If you read a little slower, your comprehension and retention might be a little better.

Clearly, it was Negreanu who spoke to Ferguson.

Now I want you apologize for your snide remark to the OP. Go ahead.

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Isn't gambling a sin?

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Commandment #11: Thou shall not gamble.

And if you were wondering, bingo has a special dispensation.

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It is kind of hypocritical of Daniel to question Chris Ferguson's morality when his main source of income is gambling and frankly that's also frowned upon in Christianity. Daniel does claim he no longer judges other people like before, but I guess he has a bias view of his own sanctity.

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there is no contemporary evidence to prove Jesus' existence.

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Even people who don't believe in god should know a person named Jesus lived around 0-34(ish) BC

Pretty stupid not to even acknowledge that he existed.

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If Ferguson is Jesus, then is Sklansky Ferguson's dad?

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LEGIT!

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The bible doesnt say anything against gambling. It doesnt say anything against drinking(it does say not to get drunk).

Daniel has a duty to express comments about actions he feels are wrong. He doesnt have to be judging them to do it. I dont know how he did it, so i cant comment on it.

I personally dont have a problem with Chris's nickname. He does look lot like present day image of jesus.

SWUSC

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It is kind of hypocritical of Daniel to question Chris Ferguson's morality when his main source of income is gambling and frankly that's also frowned upon in Christianity. Daniel does claim he no longer judges other people like before, but I guess he has a bias view of his own sanctity.

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Catholics can gamble. just not uptight protestants.

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In most of the rest of the "christian" world, being named Jesus is not offensive at all. This is some puritan thing that became integrated into American culture and now newbie Christians think its some kind of commandment or something. Only the newly religious or hopelessly uptight would have a problem with someone being called Jesus. He's got long hair and beard for cryin' out loud; he looks like the stereotypical rendition of Jesus. Not even close to offensive (i'm catholic and therefore irreverant however).

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From Dan Negreanu's website. Allegations of blasphemy or not? What do you think?

"Well, I'm not so sure about that. First of all Barry doesn't believe in Heaven, Hell, or God for that matter. He is a proud atheist along with Chris Ferguson. Both men mocking the idea that there is a God claiming that there is no contemporary evidence to prove Jesus' existence.

I remember talking to Chris Ferguson about it one night and he looked at me like I was delusional. I was trying to explain to him that calling himself Jesus, especially considering his beliefs, is very offensive to the majority of this country."

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Why is it any different the that Hispanic tradition of naming your children Jesus?

I am a Christian, but I don't find it offensive, he is not calling himself Chris "the Christ", or Chris "the Mesiah"

It is just a name.

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From Dan Negreanu's website. Allegations of blasphemy or not? What do you think?

"Well, I'm not so sure about that. First of all Barry doesn't believe in Heaven, Hell, or God for that matter. He is a proud atheist along with Chris Ferguson. Both men mocking the idea that there is a God claiming that there is no contemporary evidence to prove Jesus' existence.


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I certainly never talked about evidence of Jesus's existense. I haven't spent any time researching it. However, when Daniel told me he was sure the earth was less than 6000 years old, I suggested that he should take a look at the Grand Canyon, learn about carbon dating, or study astronomy.

I am not a "proud" atheist. I respect beliefs that are different than mine. I think religion has helped many people become better, and I believe Daniel is among them. As long as people are good to others, I don't care what caused them to incorporate that into their philosophy.

Barry

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Honestly, as much as I see statements like this, I think a lot more people complain about the religious.

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Ha, I was just about to make the post that the only thing as annoying as the religous right is those that complain about it.

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when Daniel told me he was sure the earth was less than 6000 years old

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Just lost a lot of respect for D.N.

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Even people who don't believe in god should know a person named Jesus lived around 0-34(ish) BC


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Truth. Many of the events surrounding Jesus' life are pretty close to being undisputed. The whole religious debate doesn't question his existence at all. The question is, was he the messiah, or one of the many human beings that thought he was the messiah?

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This is definitely not something that should make you lose respect of somebody. Neither side of science has been proven, (evolution or creation). I am a Christian who is a statistics major and because of that have looked at many different numbers as per carbon dating et cetera. I'm not even close to saying whether 'Creationism' or 'Evolution' is true, but in my research, both sides put up pretty good argument.

Most believe one way or the other though, and just because they do shouldn't lessen respect for someone. That's like saying "U2 is the best band ever." I say "No, Pearl Jam is" and then you lose respect for me based on opinions.

Just throwing this out there. Dont' really want to start a debate on religion/science, but I definitely don't lose respect for Daniel based on his beliefs.

Brad

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However, when Daniel told me he was sure the earth was less than 6000 years old, I suggested that he should take a look at the Grand Canyon, learn about carbon dating, or study astronomy.


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Are you serious??? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

This whole thing with him "turning" Christian overnight seemed a little weird to me but this is absolutely ridiculous.

I have heard Daniel has had questionable judgement in certain areas of his life but I didn't realize it extended to reality.

I always thought he was a great player and seemed like a nice guy but I have just lost all my respect for him as an intelligent thinking person beyond poker.

That and the weird entry he made in his journal about a black guy who gave him a ride has kind of soured me on this guy. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Great player but obviously not all there.

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I am a Christian who is a statistics major and because of that have looked at many different numbers as per carbon dating et cetera. I'm not even close to saying whether 'Creationism' or 'Evolution' is true, but in my research, both sides put up pretty good argument.


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Obviously there is no arguing with you if you beleive this but here goes anyway. I live in Hawaii and the island chain was created by a rift in the oceans floor where magma has been ooozing out for millions of years. In a sense Hawaii is on a giant island making conveyor belt. The most northern islands have eroded while the largest island in the chain, Hawaii, is furthest to the south and is still growing. There is a new island being formed,Loihi Seamount, as we speak. It is expected to break the surface within the next 100,000 years. For me there is no better proof than this. Take a look at a map and you will see what I mean. There is no way this could have happened other than through the tectonic plates shifting over the "hot spot". and this process has taken millions of years.

Of course you can say "God" snapped his fingers and made the world in 6 days or whatever but there is no empirical evidence of any sort outside stories in the bible to back this up. You could also say that he created dinosaur fossils to mess with our heads lol.

I kind of liked Sklanksy's comment about how "if" there was a God "he" would most likely want to hang with someone who actually studied physics and came to understand the work he did than someone who beleived what is obviously a metaphor in a 2000 year old book.

But I digress.

I personally have lost respect for Daniel for believing something that is so obviously false it is laughable.

Anyway.

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I think it's funny that you see the age of the earth argument as equivalent to creationism vs evolution. While evolution requires an older earth, the two issues are completely independent. What band you like is an aesthetic preference. The age of the earth (to within a margin of uncertainty) is a scientific fact. If you can't understand the difference between opinion and fact, I can't help you. And yes, learning someone believes something ridiculous is grounds for losing respect for them.

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While I tend not to trust strangers, you're going to have to expand on what you found wrong with the "black guy" giving him a ride before that statement feels acceptable.

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I didn't realize that he was that kind of Christian. I have a lot of respect for the guy and he seems like a good person, but perhaps he should finish high school and take some college science before making those kinds of judgments.

I find it hard to believe that a top poker player would believe this kind of dogma in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Even most theologians believe in science.

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The whole time I'm driving I should be worried that this man is going to rob me. If you watch the news all you will hear about is "Black man does this, or Black man does that." If you saw Bowling for Columbine you'd know what I'm talking about.

The media in this country just wants to scare you all the time. Be afraid of this, be scared of that. I just recently listened to a Chris Rock CD where he says something like, "The government wants you to be scared of Al-Quieda but I'm scared of Al-Cracker!"

But anyway, back to the drive I'm realizing how much of an effect the media has had on race relations in this country. If you are from certain parts of the south and have never seen a black man in real life , all you would have to go by is what you've seen on TV. If all I watched was the news in this country who knows, maybe I'd be a racist too.


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I know he meant well with this entry but it just came off really weird to me, like it was a huge deal to be in a car with a man who happened to be black. He seemed to be really uncomfortable all the while patting himself on the back for being okay with the seemingly (to me) banal situation.

It just gave me some more insight into the way he really thinks I guess. The comment about being from the certain parts of the south and not ever seing a black person was odd as well. What south is he referring to? South New Zealand? Antarctica?

Sorry but I have just gotten a little weirded out by DN lately.

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Prince is my favorite musician; tremendously talented. But his religious beliefs have no relation to rational thought, or scientific evidence.

Negreanu is a great poker player, but that doesn't mean anything he says outside of poker is worth serious consideration.

That said, I enjoy his writings. And as long as he isn't shouting "God is Great" while slaughtering civilians, I don't have a problem with his religious beliefs.

That said, once evidence is tossed aside, extremism can easily sneak in, which we see with religion throughout history.

Frank

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easy there.

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For the sake of tangential posting, I am compelled to spread the gospel of Republican Jesus.

That, and a couple of his more revered sermons.