Building a bankroll - Casino whoring style
 

I'm creating a website for complete newbie casino whores and would like some feedback, mostly from posters who have never whored before and maybe from 1 or 2 experienced posters.

I expect to be finished and have a rough draft uploaded by Wednesday or so. If anyone is interested in looking it over for me, I'd appreciate it.

-- Homer

p.s. - Please respond by PM. Thanks...

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i've been reading up on casino whoring on 2+2 lately. tempted to get started soon, but sooooo many poker bonuses to do. i know there are great deals out there- i'd esp. liketo know which sites have great monthly bonuses (so i know i need to get started) and what the average hourly winning rate would be on monthly bonuses (i'm at $10-15/hr. playing poker, so only interested in casino whoring that beats that. anyone have these # details? ifnot, i'll wait for your site. good luck with it.

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Casino bonuses beat pokerbonus 100-0. They have autoplay, you don't need to do anything, just sit back and roll in the cash :P

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Man, that does sound good but I have no idea what you're talking about, having never done a casino bonus before. I'd like to hear more about it. What is the typical deal like? What casino games do you play?

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I've never casino whored before, but would like too. The biggest thing that has always confused me is the autoplay. Is it a software package? Or part of the casino software? Honestly I haven't even researched it but am interested in trying it, which I suppose makes me lazy.

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Man, that does sound good but I have no idea what you're talking about, having never done a casino bonus before. I'd like to hear more about it. What is the typical deal like? What casino games do you play?

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Questions like that are exactly what motivated me to create this site. It seems there is a need for a simple site that explains the basics of casino whoring and helps a new whore get his/her foot in the door. Ideally, my site will help with that.

-- Homer

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I've never casino whored before, but would like too. The biggest thing that has always confused me is the autoplay. Is it a software package? Or part of the casino software? Honestly I haven't even researched it but am interested in trying it, which I suppose makes me lazy.

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Autoplay is a feature offered by casinos that use the newest version of Microgaming software (which is called Viper). It is surprising simple to use. My site will go into detail on how to set it up and use it and a few starter casinos to try it out on.

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Hey Homer, thanks for your awesome contribution to this forum, I'm sure this website will rock more than the BW thread you made. With that said I play 2/4 with rakeback and have done extensive BWing in the past but that is dying down as I move up limits. Do you think there is enough easy money in Casino whoring that I should step away from the 2/4 game every once and awhile?

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The biggest problem with casino whoring is their T&C's are insanely difficult to comprehend. They go out of their way to make the terms of the bonuses hard to find, and the explanations - when you finally find them - are often contradictory and vague.

You have to find them, though, because every T&C is different, and if you're not careful, you'll wind up playing BJ at a casino where BJ is excluded from the wager requirement. My worst experience ever was when I put in a ton of money for what seemed like an especially juicy bonus, only to find out after the fact that only slots were allowed. I lost it all, of course.

Also, there's a lot of shady casinos out there. CasinoMeister's full of stories of casinos vanishing into the night, and there's at least one confirmed case of a casino dealing seconds to itself. You can read about it at the Wizard of Odds. I'm sure it's not the only one.

I did all the bonuses at CasinoWhores, but I don't go out of my way to look for them anymore. The amount of time it takes to sort them, plus the danger of getting ripped off, makes them -EV, from my point of view.

Now if there was a site that did that for me, that would be something else...

As I'm sure you know, Homer, the Casinos pay buttloads to webmasters who direct traffic to their sites. As a result, most casino "review" sites are nothing more than shills for whichever casinos pay them.

An honest site would be valuable, especially since CasinoWhores has closed.

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Do you think there is enough easy money in Casino whoring that I should step away from the 2/4 game every once and awhile?

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I wouldn't say that you should step away, but you could use casino whoring to take a break from the grind of poker. My site is only going to list about 10 casinos, those that are the easiest to play and most likely to result in profit. Your expected profit from those 10 casinos will be along the lines of $1200-1300 (off the top of my head, need to review exact numbers). There are many more casinos out there that are profitable, but these are the best for those just starting out.

-- Homer

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I agree with everything you said. To address some of your comments:

- I only plan on listing about 10 casinos, those that I consider the most reputable and those that are easiest to profit from.

- I didn't go into this expecting to turn a profit. I'm not listing all of the casinos out there that are +EV, and if I did, I would gladly tell it like it is for those that are sketchy. If I was out to make a quick buck, I'd create a banner farm and tell people to play at some casino that offers a $250 CPA.

-- Homer

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until homer's site goes up, you can also check out www.fairbet.org. they are very good at identifying any T&C restrictions regarding higher WR's for blackjack and video poker, or whether they are even accepted towards the bonus in the first place. using their lists I have never ended up depositing money at an online casino which later on turned out to not accept my games of choice to fulfill their bonus (sadly this list is quite small nowadays).

before I settled on being a +2BB/100 micro-limit whore for good, I didn't try any autoplay/viper/micro sites and I would definitely like to see Homer's analysis and recommendations about those opportunities.

I have this reply to an old casino whore thread if anyone finds it useful:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=1425377

Dear Nick MC, I don\'t like you. Best Wishes, Homer
 

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Homer I seriously think this will pretty much kill casino whoring. Your post on building a br for poker newbies has been seen by so many people you now have an impressive reputation. If the whole zoo gets as mad about casino bonuses as they are already about party reloads - just think about it. Already BW has had a significant impact. Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits. If people are interested they can find out stuff already without your website Homer. Think about it. If nothing else think about whether you personally still want to make some dough out of casino-whoring.

Just my point of view Homer but you won't find my thanking you for driving hordes of people into a toughening market.

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Whenever I read about Cainsowhoring on here it always seemed too good to be true.
Just put your $200,click autoplay, go to bed and wake up with $400-$600 bucks etc.
Maybe I'm wrong...hopefully I am...but I have to admit having a computer autoplay $1,$2,$,3 bets all night long kinda freaks me out a bit....maybe Homer can clairify it a bit more on his site.

Is Casino whoring better,i.e. more profitable and easyer than Poker whoring?

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Just asking you to think about whether you are really helping people Homer.

BTW soliciting a PM and then posting it is poor etiquette.

Don't like you much either right now. But I won't finish with sarcasm,

NIck

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BTW soliciting a PM and then posting it is poor etiquette.

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I suppose that was in poor taste, sorry.

I don't see why you feel the need to say this, however...

"Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits."

You know nothing about me. To dismiss something that I working on as an "ego-trip" is highly insulting.

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Homer, please don't do this. A lot of us have went through a lot of research and trouble to casino whore. Right now the bonuses are extremely fragile. 2+2 has a huge reader base and if someone makes it simple for them to do it, they WILL kill whatever bonuses you put up and as you know, there's a big domino effect.

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Homer, please don't do this. A lot of us have went through a lot of research and trouble to casino whore. Right now the bonuses are extremely fragile. 2+2 has a huge reader base and if someone makes it simple for them to do it, they WILL kill whatever bonuses you put up and as you know, there's a big domino effect.

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Well, I guess I will let the posters decide. If enough people object, I won't do it.

-- Ego-driven Homer

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You may want to read through this link before deciding. It basiclly does what you are describing and it's been around a few months. You may be reinventing the wheel. But you can decide if it's the same thing you had in mind.

Beginner's Casino Guide

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i'm too lazy to do all the research and i think it is a great idea. if i felt like some blackjack for a change, i would rather be able to go to one site that summarizes everything and tells me where the best current bonuses are. who wants to do all that searching?

i'm curious why you think this is about ego? i assumed that homer was doing this for business just like moondogg, granny, jek, pokeraddict and everyone else. maybe i am missing something?

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i'm curious why you think this is about ego? i assumed that homer was doing this for business just like moondogg, granny, jek, pokeraddict and everyone else. maybe i am missing something?

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It's not really a business thing, though I wouldn't mind making a few bucks from it. Basically, I like to do stuff like this to kill time when I'm not sleeping or suffering through the drudgery of work.

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Of course the vast majority of posters won't object. But honestly, why are you doing this? Casino bonuses are not like poker bonuses. They can get killed very quickly. The only effect of the website will be the quick demise of whatever bonuses you put on there.

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This attitude is all over the BW. It's incredibly annoying.

Sometimes it seems like the whole forum is devoted to bitch-slapping anybody who posts anything that might accidently be useful or helpful to someone.

I don't know Homer's motive (if it were me, I'd be doing it for the money), but he has as much right to post info about bonuses as other people have to keep it to themselves.

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Homer I seriously think this will pretty much kill casino whoring. Your post on building a br for poker newbies has been seen by so many people you now have an impressive reputation. If the whole zoo gets as mad about casino bonuses as they are already about party reloads - just think about it. Already BW has had a significant impact. Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits. If people are interested they can find out stuff already without your website Homer. Think about it. If nothing else think about whether you personally still want to make some dough out of casino-whoring.

Just my point of view Homer but you won't find my thanking you for driving hordes of people into a toughening market.

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Homer I seriously think this will pretty much kill casino whoring. Your post on building a br for poker newbies has been seen by so many people you now have an impressive reputation. If the whole zoo gets as mad about casino bonuses as they are already about party reloads - just think about it. Already BW has had a significant impact. Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits. If people are interested they can find out stuff already without your website Homer. Think about it. If nothing else think about whether you personally still want to make some dough out of casino-whoring.

Just my point of view Homer but you won't find my thanking you for driving hordes of people into a toughening market.

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It absolutely drives me nuts how the people at bwhores think they should be the only ones allowed to make money casino whoring. Its like they think they invented it themselves. Seriously, most of them probably found out about it from a forum in the first place. Bloody hypocrites.

I think what you are doing is good and should be shared for all.

All the protectionist whores really shouldnt be pissed off considering theyve done these casinos already. But, they are angry because theyve devised multiple ways to get multiple accounts.



A quote from a bwhores poster mad about this.



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I, for one, do these bonuses multiple times. Some of those are extremely profitable. Reef/CON probably won't care about the 2+2 influxion but Captain Cook's will get killed. Just don't put the GP group there.

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In reality they should feel how i do. Ive done these casinos so why should it bother me at all. I tell friends to do them, but never do it for them and never offer them a $100 for their identity.

rJ

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Of course the vast majority of posters won't object. But honestly, why are you doing this? Casino bonuses are not like poker bonuses. They can get killed very quickly. The only effect of the website will be the quick demise of whatever bonuses you put on there.

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This is the same sort of attitude that was prevalent when FatWallet was spawned as a deal-sharing site. Many people complained when a deal was posted on AnandTech's Hot Deals section as well.

It's not going to end Casino Whoring, though it may make some bonuses more difficult to achieve. I would welcome it, but I'm not a casino whore, so I suppose that makes sense.

Rob

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I, for one, do these bonuses multiple times. Some of those are extremely profitable. Reef/CON probably won't care about the 2+2 influxion but Captain Cook's will get killed. Just don't put the GP group there.

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In reality they should feel how i do. Ive done these casinos so why should it bother me at all. I tell friends to do them, but never do it for them and never offer them a $100 for their identity.

rJ

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What I like about that post is Homer's website is going to kill casino whoring... but creating multiple fake accounts is okay to do.

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I have found out it isn't the easiest thing to whore:

1. You need a rather large bankroll... withdrawals take about a week.

2. It takes awhile to set up... downloads aren't the fastest.

I always wondered if there was a great deal out there (not saying this is, I am new to this) that people would be pissed the knowledge gets out there.

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Yeah, lol. They're full of righteous indignation because somebody might make it harder for them to cheat.

It's like if I went around 2+2 saying, "How dare you tell people about semi-bluffing!! Don't you know that makes the game harder for me to beat?"

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It's not like the information isn't out there. To put it in terms of poker, it's like making a cheat sheet if you could for SSH and handing it out to everyone. If you want to play poker well, you can go read the books. If somehow someone DID make a cheat sheet that would impart the knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would be incredibly pissed off. If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

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If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

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i understand this sentiment. however, if there is a cheat sheet out there, i would use it. so kudos to the businessman who is first to put a good cheat sheet up there because they will get my business.

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I think alot of this casino whoring stuff is too good to be true. There are so many hoops to jump through it is aggravating.

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I don't think anybody here would be pissed off at any post that explained how to play better poker. In fact, I suspect people would be thrilled to see you post it That's what this whole forum is about.

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It's not like the information isn't out there. To put it in terms of poker, it's like making a cheat sheet if you could for SSH and handing it out to everyone. If you want to play poker well, you can go read the books. If somehow someone DID make a cheat sheet that would impart the knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would be incredibly pissed off. If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

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I think people are wrestling with greed vs. helpfulness at this point.

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I don't think anybody here would be pissed off at any post that explained how to play better poker. In fact, I suspect people would be thrilled to see you post it That's what this whole forum is about.

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It's not like the information isn't out there. To put it in terms of poker, it's like making a cheat sheet if you could for SSH and handing it out to everyone. If you want to play poker well, you can go read the books. If somehow someone DID make a cheat sheet that would impart the knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would be incredibly pissed off. If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

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What if I posted it on a party poker message board that everyone who played there read (pretend one exists)?

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There is no secret to the fish that this information exists. It is just not exciting poker to alot of people to play right. Winning poker = boring poker.

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There is no secret to the fish that this information exists. It is just not exciting poker to alot of people to play right. Winning poker = boring poker.

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That is my point. For all purposes, you guys are the casino whoring fish. You're all aware of the website but are too lazy to research it. Work = bad. Here it is: www.bonuswhores.com .

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Kurosh, what are you talking about?

Everyone here knows about bw. I've mentioned it twice.

As far as "lazy" goes, what does that have to do with anything?

Isn't the real issue that you want to keep the info to yourself?

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The information is out there. What I have a problem with is it being compiled in one easy to use list and released to the masses.

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The information is out there. What I have a problem with is it being compiled in one easy to use list and released to the masses.

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www.bonuswhores.com/casino has compiled information that was released to the masses. There wasn't much complaint when that came out because not many people had casino whored before then. Now people who are "in the know", most likely because of such sites, want to keep others from obtaining similar information in a similar way.

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You hit the nail on the head Homer, it was ok when they were told, but not others.