PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

PokerTracker Omaha Beta can be found on the official PT site. Way to Ptrack Mike! Supports Hi as well as Hi/Lo on Party, Stars and Paradise.

Tournament support and other sites are still in the works.

Shameless crosspost. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

Ohhh, awesome. Getting it now.

VP$IP and PFR%
 

I am very new to Omaha8, and still find myself struggling to push a profit even at the 0.50/1.00 PP games. My question to you more experience people, with PTO now out, what sort of VP$IP and PFR numbers are you seeing. Just looking for some general benchmarks, appreciate anyone humoring me. FYI, I'm currently seeing 22% and raising less than 1% after a couple thousand hands...

Re: VP$IP and PFR%
 

Just looking at the fact that you are seeing almost a fourth of the flops is the answer. You need to play really tight in low limit O8, certainly less than that!

Re: VP$IP and PFR%
 

11.78 VP$IP and 1.01 PFR and 25% VP$IP from SB, but I play pretty tight.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

Awesome! Thank you.

I hope someone who knows Omaha/8 better than me (which is everyone else on this forum presumably) will be posting a set of autorate rules akin to the bisonbison rules for hold 'em. I don't know enough to do so myself (yet).

Re: VP$IP and PFR%
 

wow that's tight... What do you play? only A2xx suited and A3xxsuited?

Figure this, odds of having (math could be wrong, but I think it's ok)
A2xx = 7.25%
A3xx = 7.25% (with the A suited to something, 5.43%)
234x = 0.58%
235x = 0.58%

this alone puts you aroung 15.5% (and these hands can be played in almost any position depending on the preflop aggression of the table). Add in the probabilities of getting things like AAxx double suited, and AKQJ (late position only holding) and a few others and you should reasonably be seeing 17-19% of the flops outside the blinds. (reminiscent of holdem VPIP ain't it? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

Remember though that is *passive* low limit game you can limp a bit more. The profit in omaha hilo is mainly in your preflop starting hand requirements, and in your ability to correctly decide which hands to continue with on the flop. Being a little loose preflop, while having great flop play will not really affect your winrate.

As far as PFR. The two reasons to raise preflop are to limit the field, or build a pot. Raising in early position in a low limit game doesn't limit the field enough to make it worthwhile most of the time. I tend to only raise preflop in late position to build a pot (odds are a late position raise will only succeed in getting everyone to call). For instance I'll raise on the button/CO with just about any A2xx if there are 5+ limpers ahead of me. Even if I end up getting quartered, a raise here is +EV. So your PFR being around 1-2% is reasonable.

Re: VP$IP and PFR%
 

Some A2xx aren't worth playing.
Many A3xx aren't worth playing.
Some A3s aren't worth playing.

2345-2346-2347 from CO or Button
2356-2357 from CO or Button.

But add in some ten-ace suited/paired hands to make up the extra few percents from the A3/A2 not played.

Re: VP$IP and PFR%
 

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Some A2xx aren't worth playing

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Really, in a low (fixed) limit game?

Re: Autorate Rules
 

I loaded the hold'em one just to see what would happen...
& after 3,500 hands I'm an Omaha/8 fish!

(I knew that already)

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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PokerTracker Omaha Beta can be found on the official PT site. Way to Ptrack Mike! Supports Hi as well as Hi/Lo on Party, Stars and Paradise.

Tournament support and other sites are still in the works.

Shameless crosspost. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Anybody tried to use Gametime+ with this yet? I have and I can't get it to work.

Beset7

Re: VP$IP and PFR%
 

Very few A2xx aren't worth playing in these games. I wouldn't say many A3xx aren't worth playing in loose low limit games. They're usually worth seeing a flop if you can count on 5+ players limping in. But, if you miss they're tossable on the flop. A3xx is easily worth playing if xx either is two broadways, another wheel card, or suits the ace. Hands that aren't worth playing are those like A37J (no suit to the ace) in early position. I'd limp just about any A3xx in late position if there are enough callers in front of me.

Re: Autorate Rules
 

I'm a mouse after 300 hands. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

I tried, couldn't get it to work

Re: Autorate Rules
 

Guess I really didnt realise how loose I'd been playing till now.

Just as an experiment I have autorate on and am playing on purpose in TA-A fashion at an Omaha/8 (0.5/1) table

Everyone else is LP-P or LA-A. So far, I'm having a very good session.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

ok so i downloaded the software
wow, information overload
i dont know where to start or how to work the features
what does maintain database names do?
how does one create a new database?
why would one want a second database?
what does compacting the database do?
most importantly, if i close a window in pt to do something else, will the auto update keep going (because i have to close that window to anything else)?

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

I hope someone can help me create the default autorate rules for Omaha too - I know the Holdem rules don't really work but that's all I had to start with. I plan to make an announcement soon on the PTO forum indicating things I am requesting experienced Omaha players to help with if they want and the default rules is a big one.

BTW, I admit I pretty much suck at Ohama, but the default rules make me a fish too and I'm not happy about that. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Mike

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

is anyone else not getting the website to appear? It keeps telling me that it's down. Anyone else?

kevin

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

Just downloaded it and it looks great. I'm a semi-loose aggressive/aggressive, but I guess I already knew that. Mind you I do play a lot of shorthanded Omaha 8 so that could be some of it as well. Do you have to buy the beta, just like the holdem version of PT? Seems a little unfair that we would have to pay full price to beta test their software.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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Just downloaded it and it looks great. I'm a semi-loose aggressive/aggressive, but I guess I already knew that. Mind you I do play a lot of shorthanded Omaha 8 so that could be some of it as well. Do you have to buy the beta, just like the holdem version of PT? Seems a little unfair that we would have to pay full price to beta test their software.

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It's free during the beta stage (i.e. unlimited number of hands can be loaded).

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

Wow I'm loose as a goose, I guess. VPIP around 24% PFR around 8%.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

Everyone is responding with being loose by bisonbison holdem standards right? That would mean extremely loose in Omaha wouldn't it?

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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Everyone is responding with being loose by bisonbison holdem standards right? That would mean extremely loose in Omaha wouldn't it?

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Yes, but not for the games most people are playing. However having a VPIP in the 20-25 range is probably suicidal in the tight O8 games (3 or less to the flop). I think it's fine for the extremely loose games you see at the low stakes games.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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Everyone is responding with being loose by bisonbison holdem standards right? That would mean extremely loose in Omaha wouldn't it?

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It only means extremely loose in limit omaha/8 games.

I'm verifiably tighter in limit O/8 than in hold'em. Which perhaps can lead to 12-tabling O/8? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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Everyone is responding with being loose by bisonbison holdem standards right? That would mean extremely loose in Omaha wouldn't it?

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Yes, but not for the games most people are playing. However having a VPIP in the 20-25 range is probably suicidal in the tight O8 games (3 or less to the flop). I think it's fine for the extremely loose games you see at the low stakes games.

[/ QUOTE ]Maybe I should get outta the PP 10/20 and 20/40 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. I only have 4k hands though.. I'm also nearly 100% self taught, so I could be a total fish.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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Maybe I should get outta the PP 10/20 and 20/40 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. I only have 4k hands though.. I'm also nearly 100% self taught, so I could be a total fish.

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Results oriented thinking! Stone him! Stone him! He said Jehovah!

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

is there a way to add hands to the database that you werent at the table for?
like, can i go to party and get the data for every omaha hand ever played there?

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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is there a way to add hands to the database that you werent at the table for?
like, can i go to party and get the data for every omaha hand ever played there?

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Nope, you have to see the table to get the histories.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

what do you mean see?
i have to be playing on that table? or can i go there and get a history of all the hands on a particular table for the entire time the table was currently active?

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

You have to have the table open and have observed hand histories enabled in party. Then you can enable collecting observed hand histories in PT. As long as the table stays open Party will record the hand histories.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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You have to have the table open and have observed hand histories enabled in party. Then you can enable collecting observed hand histories in PT. As long as the table stays open Party will record the hand histories.

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can i do this on empire?

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

You can do that on all party skins.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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You can do that on all party skins.

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how do i enable "observe hand histories" is that a pt function or party function?

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

It's a PT feature. When you open a table at party it automatically writes HH's.

In PT click the Auto-Import icon. Press configure and add the folders where all your skins are. Click OK.

Here you see a big button that says, "Configure Import of Observed Hands". Click that and you should be all set up. If it's not finding anything, look at the "Do Not Import Observed Hands at This Time" checkbox and uncheck it.

Re: PokerTracker Omaha beta out
 

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It's a PT feature. When you open a table at party it automatically writes HH's.

In PT click the Auto-Import icon. Press configure and add the folders where all your skins are. Click OK.

Here you see a big button that says, "Configure Import of Observed Hands". Click that and you should be all set up. If it's not finding anything, look at the "Do Not Import Observed Hands at This Time" checkbox and uncheck it.

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i think i figured it all out
ive got four tables open now collecting data
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