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Hawkeye27 01-29-2005 04:46 PM

Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
Horrible kicker, tons of overcards. Do I bet out? Checkraise a LP bet? Or just call a small bet and see what the turn brings? If so, bet any undercard?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t720)
MP1 (t2085)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t470)
Button (t770)
Hero (t785)
BB (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t15, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t15</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t15, Button calls t15, Hero calls t15.

Turn: (t135) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

River: (t135) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t135

Hawkeye27 01-29-2005 10:05 PM

bump
 
nm

Voltron87 01-29-2005 10:19 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
I would play it like you did. If I have 29 I not betting anything unless I have two pair or trips.

I really don't see anything wrong with how the hand developed, you don't want any action at all.

slydeni 01-29-2005 10:50 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
I woulda tried a bet on the flop here of maybe 1/2 the pot or so...maybe like 65-70. You dont get hurt at all and you can get an idea of where you are. And you are getting 3 to 1 on the money on this bet. Yer approach was prolly cool too...just a bit passive for my taste.

Actually seems like another player may have a better 9...but you may have best hand to smaller pp.

gl

sly

Voltron87 01-29-2005 11:05 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
I'm really not too excited about playing a 92, top pair low kicker, which tons of overcards that stay in... 92 doesn't have a good chance of holding up.

bigredlemon 01-29-2005 11:30 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
If I were the button, I'd bet the pot and expect to take it down right there. Lots of draws there but I wouldn't expect anyone to call given what you are representing, and what no one else apprently has. +EV in the long run. Agree/disagree?

USS Gut Shot 01-30-2005 01:37 AM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
checking this flop 5 way is okay. But when no one bets the flop, I am going to bet the turn. You should get respect since you were the blind and could have been going for a check raise on the flop, or have hit an 8 on the turn.

Normally, you are not going to bet the hand again on the river unless a miracle 9 comes off.

Hawkeye27 01-30-2005 10:37 AM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
Check-calling seemed passive to me also, but I really didn't want to commit 60-70 chips to this pot. Calling seemed right because BB only min. bet.

Hawkeye27 01-30-2005 10:38 AM

just to be clear
 
Are you saying you'd bet the pot on the button after the min. bet and callers?

lorinda 01-30-2005 10:40 AM

Re: just to be clear
 
Folding preflop seems the clearest improvement here.

I don't see any reason to fold for 15 on the flop though.

Lori

Hawkeye27 01-30-2005 10:41 AM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
I agree, if it were checked around and a non over card or the 8 came on the turn, I would bet out. Probably close to a pot sized bet. But the flop was bet with several callers.

ReDeYES88 01-30-2005 10:51 AM

Re: just to be clear
 
[ QUOTE ]
Folding preflop seems the clearest improvement here.

I don't see any reason to fold for 15 on the flop though.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. Yeah, 5 chips is a cheap price to complete with a rag hand in the SB first round, and yes I do it from time to time, but it is exactly this sort of trap flop that makes you want to start putting piles of chips in the middle that can lead to long term trouble and chip leaks. If you finish this hand with a hundred or so fewer chips, you've dug yourself a hole for the rest of the tourney. Why? Because you played 92o out of position.

If I chose to play it PF, I would have also probably called the t15 flop bet in the SB as well, but ONLY because I was capping the betting to see the turn. Based on the turn and the river, I wouldn't have put another chip in the pot, and probably would have checked the "fold to any bet" box after the turn card hit.

Marc Ingenoso 01-30-2005 11:34 AM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
I fold pre-flop even though you could get in for half price. Folding also suggests to your opponents that you are tight and it may be easier for you to steal their blinds later as a result.

Hawkeye27 01-30-2005 02:02 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
It's actually T5, or 1/3 to complete, and I do it every time if it's available. I just don't see how this could be too tight if you can play well postflop.

Jason Strasser 01-30-2005 02:56 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
I fold preflop. 29o is just about worthless despite the super pot odds you are getting, but I suppose completing is fine.

I like your line here. The flop is perfect, so is the turn. The river is also fine. Value betting here is pretty shady. I would check call a suspicious bet.

-Jason

adanthar 01-30-2005 02:58 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
This is exactly the way I play it. If the BB bets t30 on the flop, I fold.

captZEEbo1 01-30-2005 03:05 PM

Re: Gotta be a better way to play this.
 
fold preflop


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