20 40 at NYC club.....
 

Pretty good, not great 20 40 game...

Preflop: UTG is up a lot for the day and normally plays pretty well but overplays his hands sometimes limps. I limp UTG +1 with 77. UTG+3 I haven't played with too much but he seems to play ok also limps. MP1 is a pretty good player limps also. Small blind completes big blind checks.

Flop: Q 10 7 all diamonds. Checked to UTG who bets out. I raise, UTG + 3 cold calls, MP1 three bets, UTG thinks and calls two cold, I cap, everyone calls.

Turn: 5 clubs. UTG checks to me and I bet. UTG + 3 now raises. MP1 thinks for a while and mucks. UTG calls two cold after much deliberation and I call.

River: 6 clubs. Checked to UTG + 3 who bets. UTG calls and I muck.

Comments?

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i dont like ur preflop limp.i either fold or raise(mixing it up)1st in w small poket pair in the long run will cost u alot of chips.muck the hand.u have nothing invested in this hand and ur expectation 4 a profit is low.remember tight is right unless u r playing against a tight passive field,then u might want 2 raise pre flop but never just call.ur hand plays well against maybe 2 or 3 players or 6 or more players
if u dobt me on this then u need 2 buy sklansky's"holdem 4 the advanced player"
good luck

the shark's holdem 4 the advanced player

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I believed when i limped behind the utg limper that there would be plenty of callers. The preflop action should show that I was right about that.

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I think there must be a typo. Your post says that you folded the river.

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This is absolutely terrible. Preflop's good, flop's good. Raise the turn, raise the river, for god's sake don't fold the river with a set getting > 12:1 closing the action.

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the flop was all diamonds

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I don't get it either. Did you think the river bet meant he had precisely an 8 9?

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Either that or precisely a flush.

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"the flop was all diamonds"

Oooh I missed that. Turn is fine, just call the river. Folding is still bad I think, but it's not as absolutely terrible as I originally stated.

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UTG+3 most likely flopped a flush, but you have to pay him off. You probably have UTG beat, given your description of him so the overcall doesn't mean much in this case. I think folding is horrible unless you have some kind of super Tommy-style read that you didn't explain in your post.

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Definitely call the river.

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River: 6 clubs. Checked to UTG + 3 who bets. UTG calls and I muck

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I physically cringed and verbally anguished while in my training class (yeah everyone looked at me like I just crashed the software again) when I read this line. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Results...
 

Thanks everyone for the comments.

I think the general consensus was that I played the entire hand ok except for the river. I haven't played with the guy much, but he seemed to fit my profile of someone who only makes a move like that on the turn when he has a flush. More of a weak tightish player. My plan was to lead the turn and if I got raised my UTG + 3 or MP1, to call the raise on the turn and then muck the river if I didn't improve.

Anyway, UTG+3 shows A5 diamonds for the flopped nuts and UTG shows KK with K diamonds.

Thanks for the comments everyone.

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Nice laydown. I'm not sure I would have made it. Good play.

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if you are staying in on the turn, you need to call the river unless there is a raise

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Why?

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He's drawing to a boat.

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I treated the hand like a missed draw on the river. That's why I didn't call the river.

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I treated the hand like a missed draw on the river. That's why I didn't call the river.

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Except you don't have a missed draw, you have three of a kind that failed to improve to a full house. The pot is large enough that I think your DEFAULT play should be to call in this situation, unless you have a tremendous read, in which case we can't really help you out unless we have played with this opponent before.

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UTG+3 called 2 cold on the flop, and then called the cap. He then all of the sudden wakes up on the turn, how much more obvious does he have to make it that he has the nut flush. Seemed pretty obvious to me, and fortunately drbk2 too. Played it fine all the way through.

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Yeah I forgot to put in my post that UTG + 2 was a fairly weak tight player. Plus he respects me and the three other people in the hand on the turn. I thought he would have to have at least a flush to make that move on the turn against the 3 of us. So I wouldn't call it a tremendous read.