5-10 flopped boat at the Bike.........how\'s my line?
 

ok so i have ~3.5K and a pretty aggressive table image.
i have been raising a lot of pots in position and either taking it down preflop or on the flop.
i'm pretty much bullying the table.

i'm in the BB w/ A4 and the villian in this hand is the button.
he is a decent player, who thinks he is better then he is.
i have him covered, i think he's got around 2K.

four players see the flop of A44 two diamonds.

all check to him, he bets $60, i call, all others fold.

turn comes a black 5.
i lead for $100, he calls rather quickly.

river comes 6 hearts.
i think for a second then bet $400.

comments on all streets appreciated.

ps. i know its not that exciting of a pot, and not that big either, but i'm just curious what line you guys think would have been optimal in this situation.

Re: 5-10 flopped boat at the Bike.........how\'s my line?
 

I really like to get more money in on the flop here, especially given your image (i.e. you may be making a move). the turn and the river are probably straightforward, but getting more money in on the flop wins you a bigger pot.

--turnipmonster

Re: 5-10 flopped boat at the Bike.........how\'s my line?
 

Play it fast. Bet out for 40 or so on the flop.

If someone has the 4 you are likely to get raised = good.

Re: 5-10 flopped boat at the Bike.........how\'s my line?
 

Het Riverboat, I lead the flop but...

I may check to him on the turn as well - read dependent. If your flop flat call scared him enough to check behind, then value betting the turn is OK - I know you were hoping he'd come over the top there. His quick call is often diamonds, I guess.

Anyway, if he thinks he's that good, he may be arrogant enough to not think twice about your flat call and will fire again on the turn. I like to let these geniuses take the lead as long as possible.

Re: 5-10 flopped boat at the Bike.........how\'s my line?
 

I like the flop check since you're out of position, and need to see if someone with an Ace will pay you off. The turn lead ain't too bad either, because if you check-raise, he might get wise to the fact that you have at least a 4 (esp. since you were BB), or he also may check behind you. However, that river bet seems a little much to me...I dunno...the pot is about $350 right? I guess it all depends on what you want him to think, and how much he is willing to call. How about $250-$300 here...that's enough to look like you might be bluffing, but also enough that he'll be able to call. That's just my plan...interested in another strategies.

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hey guys, i'm [censored] tired and i majorly botched the post in a way that i think significantly alters the hand.

the flop was AA4. not A44.

making it much more likely he had an ace.

also in regard to the flat call on the flop, i think it would be very suspicous to him if i flat call the flop and check the turn.

and turnipmonster, i totally agree with you that checkraising or leading at the flop would have been a better way to build the pot.

i was hoping that my bet on the turn would be seen as a blocking bet and the river would be a follow through on my missed flush draw. i was hoping that he had an ace and would come over the top on the turn to protect against the flush draw.

often times players who are very aggressive go into check/call mode it sets off warning bells in observant players.

and this guy was definately observant.

Re: major error in original post....please reread
 

You are tired - Doesn't AA4 make it much LESS likely he has an ace? Anyway, I understand your point nevertheless.

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Well alrighty then [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Now a flop lead or check-raise on the flop is beautiful here. The only way you're getting paid is if someone has the other Ace (hopefully with a decent kicker), or even 44 I guess, so you can check-raise and bet all you want here. Maybe lead the flop, smooth call a raise, and then check raise the turn?? If you don't lead the flop, check-raise the flop and then fire on every street. Hope it worked out for you.

Re: major error in original post....please reread
 

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You are tired - Doesn't AA4 make it much LESS likely he has an ace? Anyway, I understand your point nevertheless.

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[img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] i am tired. 20 hours sans sleep will do that to you.
yeah what i meant was it was less likely he had an ace.

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Right on - Glad you won - I'll be at Commerce later this week and probably a lot over the weekend - I'll call you.

Re: 5-10 flopped boat at the Bike.........how\'s my line?
 

Interesting line, if you look like you are bullying the table and he knows this I might be tempted to overbet the pot on the flop, check the turn like I gave up, and then overbet the river. It probably won't work often, but you'll stack him when it does, yes/no? I suppose observant opponents will pick up on what you did when they are facing a huge river bet...but it was just a thought.

Re: 5-10 flopped boat at the Bike.........how\'s my line?
 

Hey river,

Lead the flop. If not that, check-raise the flop. Bet more on the turn. If not that, check-raise the turn. River bet amount was good. A river check-raise might have been good too, depending on his range of hands and how he would play them. If more money got in there earlier, it's a moot point, though.

Hope he filled up with 64... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ML4L

Re: major error in original post....please reread
 

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often times players who are very aggressive go into check/call mode it sets off warning bells in observant players.


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this is exactly what I was thinking given the image you said you had......for that reason, I think you should've played this like a maniac from the flop onwards.....overbet, raise, etc....either overbet the flop or checkraise the flop and then definitely bet out big on the turn.....either he's got something or he doesn't - you win the most when he's got a big ace or an under full, not by trying to keep him in "in case" he's got a flush draw or something.....let'em go broke......you don't know how many times I've been running over a table and then flop a rockcrusher and play it like I'm on a monster bluff or missed draw only to be called by one pair......

Re: 5-10 results
 

so i bet 400 on the river he thought for about a minute then called.

he mucked his hand and actually looked a bit surprised to see my boat.

i didn't see his hand but i think he had a pocket pair, and my unusual line confused him (at least thats what i'd like to give myself credit for).

anyways i know he didn't have an ace because he's the kind of guy that would have shown his bigger ace to show how lucky i got to hit the four, and thats the only reason i got his money.

i'm pretty sure that had i checkraised at any point he would have dropped.
i think i like ML's line of leading the flop and then checking the turn, then overbetting the river. this is actually a line i use a lot when i flop a monster vs. a preflop raiser.
although depending on the stack size i sometimes CR the turn and sometimes overbet the river.