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I'm having my worst run ever. -133BB and counting. Did I mention that I hate poker? Yeah, I know, wah, wah.

Lucky for me I'm not planning on giving up my job, moving halfway across the country, and relying on poker to help pay some of the bills while I look for a job, huh?

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congratulations

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I'm having my worst run ever. -133BB and counting. Did I mention that I hata poker?

Lucky for me I'm not planning on giving up my job, moving halfway across the country, and relying on poker to help pay some of the bills while I look for a job, huh?

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Congrats. I'll join you in hating poker. I've cleared $220 worth of bonuses in the last week, had a GREAT run at 3/6 early in the month, and yet over the course of December I'm... slightly in the red. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Poker hates us. Buy me a beer?

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congratulations

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Thank you.

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in all seriousness, a lot of poker has to do with your mentality. from reading your posts, it really seems as if you just have no confidence in yourself. being humble in your abilities, as you are, is nice, but self deprication (moreso in other posts than this one) is a good way to put yourself in a mindset that will cause you to underperform. you play well. you just need to get that into you head

133 BB is rough, but we've all been there, and anyone who hasn't been there will go there, so stick it out. it'll turn around for you.

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Congrats. I'm having a great month, gorging on hands to beat Tosh and hopefully buy myself A) a laptop, B) a new HDTV or C) a month off, depending on how I feel when the new year rolls around.

I had a -70BB swing in three hours yesterday that got erased in an hour. This too shall pass.

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I'm having a great month

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What's your BB/100 for this month? How many hands? I only ask so I can determine what _you_ mean by "great." (Some may consider 2 BB/100 for 25,000 hands to be great, Astro might consider 4,372 BB/100 for 25,000 hands to be slightly better than mediocre, etc.)

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What's your BB/100 for this month? How many hands? I only ask so I can determine what _you_ mean by "great." (Some may consider 2 BB/100 for 25,000 hands to be great, Astro might consider 4,372 BB/100 for 25,000 hands to be slightly better than mediocre, etc.)

I mean, I'm enjoying playing poker and winning at a rate that I feel is commensurate to my skills over a great many hands.

It's not that I don't know who you are. It's that, even if I knew who you were, I wouldn't give a f[/b]uck.

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I mean, I'm enjoying playing poker and winning at a rate that I feel is commensurate to my skills over a great many hands.

It's not that I don't know who you are. It's that, even if I knew who you were, I wouldn't give a [censored].

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You don't care about the numbers? You only care that you're playing to your potential?

I have trouble believing that. My Asperger's Syndrome must be kicking in again. I see your Tourette's Syndrome is back in action. (Incidentally, I thought 2+2 had a filter....)

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Congrats, Milo.

Oh, and I love the name. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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You don't care about the numbers? You only care that you're playing to your potential?

I have trouble believing that. My Asperger's Syndrome must be kicking in again. I see your Tourette's Syndrome is back in action. (Incidentally, I thought 2+2 had a filter....)

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A) If we all cared less about our specific win-rate and more about playing well, our win-rate would be better off. Naturally it feels better to have a month where you run well over a large number of hands, and that's all bison was saying. Specific WR over specific hand sample doesn't matter much, and there's really no reason for you (or anyone else) to ask for it.

2) There is a filter, but when you become a Carpal Tunnel you can do whatever the fu[/i]ck you want.

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A) If we all cared less about our specific win-rate and more about playing well, our win-rate would be better off.

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Agreed. And if we all spent more hours playing and less in threads like this one, our win-rate would be better off. I guess we're all being silly.

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Naturally it feels better to have a month where you run well over a large number of hands, and that's all bison was saying. (emphasis added)

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No, that's what _you_ are saying. Bison was being arrogant: "I'm having a great month, gorging on hands to beat Tosh and hopefully buy myself A) a laptop, B) a new HDTV or C) a month off, depending on how I feel when the new year rolls around."

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Specific WR over specific hand sample doesn't matter much, and there's really no reason for you (or anyone else) to ask for it.

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Who are you to say which questions have reason to be asked and which ones do not? Bison (or anyone else) doesn't need to answer it and has every reason to reply in a rude a manner if he feels so inclined.

And I (or anyone else) can certainly ask.

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2) There is a filter, but when you become a Carpal Tunnel you can do whatever the [censored] you want.

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Eh...you're "old hand" and avoided the censor.

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Agreed. And if we all spent more hours playing and less in threads like this one, our win-rate would be better off. I guess we're all being silly.

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I'm not. I'm 4-tabling while writing this. I RULE.

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No, that's what _you_ are saying. Bison was being arrogant: "I'm having a great month, gorging on hands to beat Tosh and hopefully buy myself A) a laptop, B) a new HDTV or C) a month off, depending on how I feel when the new year rolls around."

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I was speaking more about his reply post. Given that he and milo are friends, I wouldn't classify this so much as bragging as just conversing. Now if he'd started his own "Congratulate Me" post to brag about his great month, it'd be different.

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Who are you to say which questions have reason to be asked and which ones do not? Bison (or anyone else) doesn't need to answer it and has every reason to reply in a rude a manner if he feels so inclined.

And I (or anyone else) can certainly ask.

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This is the worst reasoning ever. I say "Hey, it's kind of pointless and not really cool to ask about specific winrate." You reply, "Who are you to tell me what to do? That's just, like, your opinion, man!"

Well, yeah. It's not like it's in the rules anywhere. It's still a stupid and kind of obnoxious question to ask right in the forum. It's like asking a chick's weight. Sure, some might not care, but if you're halfway intelligent you'll AT LEAST pull her to the side and ask quietly in private first. And even then, don't be surprised if she thinks you're an as[/i]s for asking.

Yes, bison, in this metaphor, you are a woman.

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Eh...you're "old hand" and avoided the censor.

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That was part of the joke. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Anyway, no hard feelings or anything, I'm just one of the people who finds this question really obnoxious no matter how nicely it's asked. Bison replied much more nicely than I would have. Then again, I'm running bad, and no one asks about my winrate because I suck.

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Lucky for me I'm not planning on giving up my job, moving halfway across the country, and relying on poker to help pay some of the bills while I look for a job, huh?

Phew, I thought you were talking about me but I'm moving all the way accross the country.

Peace,
Joe Tall

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Given that he and milo are friends, I wouldn't classify this so much as bragging as just conversing.

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Well, that's certainly a mitigating circumstance.

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It's still a stupid and kind of obnoxious question to ask right in the forum.

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I'm still not convinced that it's an inappropriate question. (Please don't try to convince me -- you've already stated that this type of question drives you batty.) Even so, Bison has more than enough ego to handle potentially taboo questions.

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Anyway, no hard feelings or anything, I'm just one of the people who finds this question really obnoxious no matter how nicely it's asked.

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No hard feelings here, either. Remember, I have Asperger's. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I'm having my worst run ever. -133BB and counting. Did I mention that I hate poker? Yeah, I know, wah, wah.

Lucky for me I'm not planning on giving up my job, moving halfway across the country, and relying on poker to help pay some of the bills while I look for a job, huh?

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Milo, I am down 300BB in December, I mock you and your post.

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Sigh.

Milo, who I like, is in the middle of a downswing and made a pity post. Milo is an adult, and a therapist, and a SS regular and knows exactly what happens when you make a pity post: you invite mockery.

So I mocked him. Milo doesn't need defending, and there's no way in hell I would post my win-rate publicly here, so f[/i]uck off. It is none of your business. This is not about me being arrogant. This is about me having a little fun at Milo's expense (which he knowingly invited upon himself), and you showing up out of nowhere and pretending like there was a need to know what "great" means. Please.

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I dunno that its a rude and obnoxious question. I mean these forums are all about numbers (oh, yeah strategy too, there's some of that too if I remember correctly) and numbers are being kicked around all the time. Including winrates.

Sure, nobody has to share anything. I don't think its expected that anybody necessarily will. But given that many people do, its certainly part of the public dialogue, and not rude like it would be in some other kind of context. IMHO anyway.

As far as Bison goes, I suspect many people are intensely interesed in his results. Why? Well he started at the micro's climbed quickly up the limits and now has what must be somwhere in the range of 150k (or possibly much more) at 3-6 alone. And he's clearly a damn good player. So it would be interesting and instructive to know what's possible for a player like that. One whose history, while still in the short term is much less short term than many of us.

Not to say that I think, or expect or anything else that this is public information that Bison ought to share with us. I personally wouldn't ask because I've gotten the impression in other posts (confirmed below: " there's no way in hell I would post my win-rate publicly here, so [censored] off. It is none of your business.") that this is something he doesn't want to share. That's cool.

But rude? C'mon, how many post a day are made on the various forums about winrates?

--Zetack

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Zety,

I don't think it's a rude question, I just don't like DataMiner.

I get PMs all the time asking to share databases or Party names or my stats, but my non-response to all of them is basically: no.

Besides, I think it's stupid and hypocritical for me to share my stats while counseling everybody that your win-rate is really a pretty vague and unimportant thing.

There are people I've told, but they're people I've met and liked or corresponded with for a while, who I trust aren't interested in saying "bison is the 29th best SS poster" or whatever.

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There are people I've told, but they're people I've met and liked or corresponded with for a while, who I trust aren't interested in saying "bison is the 29th best SS poster" or whatever.

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I think that's kind of key. I see win-rate as kind of analogous to salary. If a total stranger, or someone I barely knew, asked me what I make in a year, I'd find that pretty obnoxious. That's just something I thought was part of our culture. It's entirely different if a friend casually asks "How much are you making, if you don't mind me asking?" because you don't have to volunteer it up if you don't want, and they probably don't care much.

As for win-rate being a valuable statistic to discuss, haven't the numerous posts by bison and several other posters shown everyone why win-rate isn't an especially valuable statistic to discuss? It takes a particularly large sample size to determine win-rate with any particular specificity, large enough that to make strategy changes based on that number alone is pretty stupid. There are many other statistics that converge to their "true" number much faster than win-rate, and that say much more about your game.

Based on the general thoughts of 2+2ers everywhere...

1BB/100 - good
2BB/100 - very good
2.5BB/100 - great
3BB/100 - excellent or superior (or unsustainable)

I'd guess bison is about a 2.2 or 2.3 in terms of skill, also considering that he multitables. But even then, he might be earning 3.5 or 1.5 over xLargex number of hands. So it's a relatively useless statistic compared to the many others you'd want to know.

I regularly toss mine out there in discussion, largely because I realize (and hope others do as well) how volitile the number can be, and how it often is more an indication of how well you're running than how well you're playing.




Which is part of the original point anyway -- milo's running bad. The cards will turn, he'll feel better, and this pity post will still be here to mock him for getting all wound up about winrate. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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There are people I've told, but they're people I've met and liked or corresponded with for a while, who I trust aren't interested in saying "bison is the 29th best SS poster" or whatever.

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you wish. everybody who is anybody knows you are 31st.


Also, i just try to play break even poker for the free drinks that my computer dispenses to me. Rake Back pays the internet bill, and i whore myself out to pay for the drugs.

Im glad to see this thread went from moderatly pointless, to really stupid, to me talking about whoring myself out.

Milo, keep your head up, your CC% down, and your wife happy. Everything else will take care of itself. And, if not, there is the blue pill.

peace

john nickle

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And, if not, there is the blue pill.

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God, how I wish I would've taken the blue pill.

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As for win-rate being a valuable statistic to discuss, haven't the numerous posts by bison and several other posters shown everyone why win-rate isn't an especially valuable statistic to discuss? It takes a particularly large sample size to determine win-rate with any particular specificity, large enough that to make strategy changes based on that number alone is pretty stupid. There are many other statistics that converge to their "true" number much faster than win-rate, and that say much more about your game.



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Valueless Stat? Sure I suppose, but there are a buncha things on this forum that aren't particularly useful as far as changing or improving one's game that are nevertheless interesting and/or informative.

Me, I kinda like challenge and progress posts, despite their sudden proliferation. Just for an example. And I'm pretty sure they don't have any value to me other than their entertainment quotient.

And particularly for newbies, trying to figure all this out, one of the interesting questions as far as winning is, what's doable, what's possible, what's good and what's just decent and what's kinda sucky? The fact that after they log 15k hands or wahtever small sample number they have they have no way of knowing what their own winrate is, doesn't make that less interesting and perhaps even important for them to know.

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Based on the general thoughts of 2+2ers everywhere...

1BB/100 - good
2BB/100 - very good
2.5BB/100 - great
3BB/100 - excellent or superior (or unsustainable)


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Sure, but at the same time, it's more interesting
to know, not just what's theoretically good or great but what people have actually done. For instance I've seen any number of posts saying that .5/1.00 is beatable for 5 BB/100. But from the tone of all those posts I didn't think anybody claiming that had actually done it over any interesting number of hands.
Then somebody, I forget who, sorry, posted their pt screen shot showing about 180k hands at .5/1.00 with a winrate if I remember correctly of about 4.8 BB's/100. And I went--now that is really cool.

Valuable? Maybe not. Statistically too smal a sample even with 180K hands?--I suppose so. But still really cool to see somebody achieving that kind of result over that length of time.

Finally, about it being similar to asking somebody's salary, maybe...but my view is that there are situations where that's not rude and cotextually, my own opinion is that in the context of these forums its not necessarily a rude question. Course I may just be socially inept, ya know.

--Zetack

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I don't think it's a rude question, I just don't like DataMiner.

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At least you're finally being honest. But...you're more than amicable when you respond to posts from one of my other accounts. I wonder what rubs you the wrong way about DataMiner. The Name? The lack of several hundered or thousand posts? My excessive use of _underscores_ and parentheticals (not to mention quotes)?

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At least you're finally being honest.

Yeah, cause you'll see a lot of me not being honest elsewhere.

But...you're more than amicable when you respond to posts from one of my other accounts. I wonder what rubs you the wrong way about DataMiner.

Well, maybe you just post really annoying sh[/b]it from this account. When I want to ask a question, I just come out and ask. From my main account.

The Name? The lack of several hundered or thousand posts? My excessive use of _underscores_ and parentheticals (not to mention quotes)?

Who cares? Not I.

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But...you're more than amicable when you respond to posts from one of my other accounts.

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For what purpose do you need multiple accounts here?

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But...you're more than amicable when you respond to posts from one of my other accounts.

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For what purpose do you need multiple accounts here?

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Apparently so you can screw with people who you ordinarily wouldn't want to screw with in anonymity and then call them out on treating you differently while you are screwing with them.

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Apparently so you can screw with people who you ordinarily wouldn't want to screw with in anonymity and then call them out on treating you differently while you are screwing with them.

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Well...yes, but change "ordinarly wouldn't want to screw with" to "ordinarily _would_ want to screw with."

And there are other reasons too. Be creative.

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Sigh.

Milo, who I like, is in the middle of a downswing and made a pity post. Milo is an adult, and a therapist, and a SS regular and knows exactly what happens when you make a pity post: you invite mockery.

So I mocked him. Milo doesn't need defending, and there's no way in hell I would post my win-rate publicly here, so f[/i]uck off. It is none of your business. This is not about me being arrogant. This is about me having a little fun at Milo's expense (which he knowingly invited upon himself), and you showing up out of nowhere and pretending like there was a need to know what "great" means. Please.

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It was a pity post. I invited the mockery. I need no defending. I appreciated the comments of my colleagues here (especially Tosh's disdain).

I'm annoyed by the hijack. This thread is about my pathos, not Bison's winrate. So, if you don't want to talk about me, then go away and annoy some other thread. This is my pity thread, and I don't want it disturbed.

-Thank you, that is all.

EDIT: Wait, one more thing. At 100,000 hands of 2/4 and 3/6 I will post a screen shot with my exact numbers. This will, no doubt, invite people to call me a liar, or a braggart, or a sucker (depending on how it turns out). I care not, I've just always wanted to do that since Astroglide's famous 100K hand post.

Now, finally, that is all.

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Well, I like Milo so I'll respect his wishes.

I'll go find another thread. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Congratulations. You clearly suck [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This thread is about my pathos...

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We're allowed to call "whining about downswings" pathos now? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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This thread is about my pathos...

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We're allowed to call "whining about downswings" pathos now? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Whining is pathetic.

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Explain further.

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Good thread - interesting discussion.

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i just had a -200 bb one! Where is my damn cookie?

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lol you rock bison!

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Shut up stinky.

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Who are you to say which questions have reason to be asked and which ones do not? Bison (or anyone else) doesn't need to answer it and has every reason to reply in a rude a manner if he feels so inclined.

And I (or anyone else) can certainly ask.


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why don't you ask him something personal, like the length of his manhood or his checking account balance?

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Self pity is nonproductive but very comfortable if you wallow in it.