Should I call for this one outer?
 

Live 10/20....

I have 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the BB....

One raise preflop, 6 players saw the flop, which was checked around....on the turn this was the board

3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

The SB bet, I called, as did 3 other players, and the button raised....The SB 3-bet....

I folded pretty quick, all folded and the button called...The river was the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]....The SB took the pot down with a full house, which was what I expected...

After the hand, I mentioned what I had folded, and a player I know who is a winning high limit player said that it was wrong to fold my hand....

I thought about it and decided that I was correct to fold, and that this player was incorrect......was he??

I don't know exactly how much was in the pot, but it wasn't small...

Re: Should I call for this one outer?
 

You are right. The other guy is an idiot. Count the money. Even if a 2 was good (which it wasn't) giving you 3 outs, the pot is only laying you 6 to 1 (6 1/2 to 1 if you assume a call from turn 3rd player). It's an easy fold.

Re: Should I call for this one outer?
 

maybe hed like to have you think hes a winning high limit player, but hes a donor.

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Yeah, he said my implied odds were huge, which I think makes it a little bit closer...but not close enough

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maybe implied tilt odds? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Your "winning player" friend has no clue. He doesn't know what implied odds mean either.

To make matters worse, you shouldn't have even called the first bet coming from the SB.

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There is a bad beat jackpot where I play, and my hand and the board would have qualified, so for one bet I was willing to give it a shot....

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There is a bad beat jackpot where I play, and my hand and the board would have qualified, so for one bet I was willing to give it a shot....

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Are you sure you would have qualified? Most jackpots require both players to be using both of their hole cards, not to mention that most big jackpots require quads or better beaten.

Re: Should I call for this one outer?
 

Where I play, (to the best of my knowledge) you can use a single hole card for a straight flush, but must use both for quads...

There were 2 fives on board, so the hand would have qualifed

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Your "winning player" friend has no clue. He doesn't know what implied odds mean either.

To make matters worse, you shouldn't have even called the first bet coming from the SB.

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I would have called the first bet, for 1 thing there is a small possibility his hand is best and if it isnt I would think the rivered straight or boat would be good most of the time. The raise and reraise tells you your hand is certainly not best and you may very well be drawing dead which makes it an easy fold.

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I don't know exactly how much was in the pot, but it wasn't small...

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not to be a jerk but this might prove to be a problem if you plan on playing poker well.

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Yeah, he said my implied odds were huge, which I think makes it a little bit closer...but not close enough

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implied odds for what? assuming you knew that you only had one out... how on earth are you going to make up the rest of the bets on the river to cover peeling for a 45:1 shot?

assuming no one raises after you call the first time on the turn... you need to make up around 35 bets! assuming you call the second time around getting 15:1 (and not even closing the action and pretending it didn't cost you multiple bets on this street) you still need to make up around 30 bets on the river. so even if it's capped, on the river you won't get there....thus, you have no implied odds for a one outer.

granted, sometimes you have more than one out on this board... but in this hand in particular you actually have plenty of things working against you since your other outs area dubious at best and spiking a two or rivereing a straight is just going to cost you a bunch more bets.

count the pot, know the odds, fold the turn.
-tpir

Re: Should I call for this one outer?
 

threads like this are why this forum has gone in the sh[/i]itter. you're asking whether you should've called 2 bets for a non-nut 1 outer

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threads like this are why this forum has gone in the sh[/i]itter. you're asking whether you should've called 2 bets for a non-nut 1 outer

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And didn't include the fact that there was a badbeat jackpot which he may have qualified for (and still hasn't included the size of the jackpot). Obviously if it's big enough, it's a correct call.

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Well then, don't waste your time responding to it.....I said I thought it was wrong, but this guy is a winning player, so I was checking to see what the forum thought...

Since I wasn't playing online at the time, I didn't have a number on the screen telling me how many dollars were in the pot......If I think I need to count the bets, I count em.....I'd be willing to wager that most players don't keep track of the exact amount of bets in every single pot they play....I had a good idea of how much was in the pot....

Calling this one bet was a pretty situational play...The SB was very loose, and was fairly aggro...he could very well have been betting A high...I thought I might have the best hand, or at least more than 3 outs and made a loose call.....I knew I wasn't closing the action, but I wasn't expecting it to get raised......On top of all this, the badbeat jackpot was over 40 grand at the time, and yes my hand would have qualified....

excuse me if I sound a little bit ticked off, but if you don't have anything constructive to add to a thread, you probably should just pick one of the other 100 or so threads posted each day and actually help someone out with their poker game....