anyone like my line?
 

My flop plan was to check and call one bet, or checkraise a late position bettor.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks.

River: (7.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Re: anyone like my line?
 

if you're gonna check/raise a late position bet on the flop, don't you have to follow it up with a bet on the turn no matter what card falls? at least that's how i normally play it, i guess you wiffed on the turn cause the checkraise didn't limit the field? i don't know if i like betting the river after checking the turn

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Would a value raise here before the flop be correct? With so many limpers and all.

Re: anyone like my line?
 

I thought about this Hack, and decided against it at the time. I think raising preflop is probably a good idea in hindsight.

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Why did you decide against it? Because of the number of people already in the hand and having bad position?

Re: anyone like my line?
 

I dunno, I felt like if I flopped top pair, the smaller pot would allow me to protect my hand better. This is probably weak-tight thinking, playing the hand like KJo instead of KJs. I'm interested to hear what others think.

Re: anyone like my line?
 

It's not weak-tight thinking, it's giving your opponents waaay too much credit. Manipulating pot size is usually not a real factor in a good .5/1 game, because nobody knows how big the pot is unless it's humongulous.

I raise preflop here, cause it's fun and has value.

I don't know if I like the flop check-raise. Don't feel strongly about it though. Since you did it, you must bet the turn, considering it's a blank. The fact that you didn't knock anyone out and are scared to bet the turn tells me that you probably shouldn't have c/r'ed in the first.

Don't like the river bet. Check/call one. A lot of aces are going to call but won't bet here.

NT

Re: anyone like my line?
 

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I dunno, I felt like if I flopped top pair, the smaller pot would allow me to protect my hand better.


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You don't really have position to protect your hand, do you? You have to act first on the flop.

I play this hand pretty passively after the A comes on the flop. With this many players in the hand, there's almost certainly an A out there, so you've got to figure you're behind from the start. With 5 redraws to 2 pair or better you can call a bet on the flop but you probably fold the turn UI.

-- Scott

Re: anyone like my line?
 

i'd really be playing for the gutshot and any other kings if i was hero. the jacks can't be counted as full outs cause they put 4 to a straight on board. i'd check/call one and fold the turn UI.

Re: anyone like my line?
 

OK, so the consensus:

1) Raise preflop.
2) Check/call the flop.

Thanks guys, this hand felt weird from start to finish, and it's because I played it like poop.

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i'd really be playing for the gutshot


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The problem with the gutshot is that he'll be splitting with any other J, since his K is counterfeited on the board.

It's just not a very pretty hand in a multi-way pot, I guess.

-- Scott

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It's not weak-tight thinking, it's giving your opponents waaay too much credit. Manipulating pot size is usually not a real factor in a good .5/1 game, because nobody knows how big the pot is unless it's humongulous.

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In that case you're not manipulating the pot size because the opponents will fold when they don't have the odds. But if you know they're calling stations, by manipulating the pot you make tham commit errors when they call. I mean, it can be right to manipulating the odds because the odds are there even if they don't know about it.