Attn All Third-Party Voters
 

http://www.votepair.org/

I'm a Kerry supporter in a safe state. If you're in a battleground state and are willing to trade, please let me know.

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The depths some partisans are willing to sink to...

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This shows how desperate the Demmies have become. Buying and selling votes. Pretty soon they will want to reinstitute slavery along with the draft.

Also I like the page which showed me which candidates are on my ballot in Oklahoma. Only Kerry???

Jimbo

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This shows how desperate the Demmies have become. Buying and selling votes. Pretty soon they will want to reinstitute slavery along with the draft.

Also I like the page which showed me which candidates are on my ballot in Oklahoma. Only Kerry???

Jimbo

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They aren't buying and selling, they are trading. You just vote for his candidate, and he promises to vote for the candidates of all 47 people he swapped with.

That site does not show Bush as a candidate in any state, only Kerry and the third partyers. If Kerry is the only candidate shown in OK, then I assume there are no third party candidates on the ballot.

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That site does not show Bush as a candidate in any state, only Kerry and the third partyers.

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Perhaps sir you missed my point.

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They aren't buying and selling, they are trading.

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In the USA that is the same as buying and selling (see barter). If you don't believe me ask thr IRS. I am searching for the relevant statutes but I believe in a few states the vote trading might be illegal.


Jimbo

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haha, comparing swapping votes to reinstituting slavery, how reasonable of you...

rj

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haha, comparing swapping votes to reinstituting slavery, how reasonable of you...

rj

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I did not compare the two. I merely stated the next logical step was for the Democrats to support slavery again.

Also:

"According to the California Elections Code, it is a crime to get "any money, gift, loan, or other valuable consideration" for "induc[ing] any other person to … vote or refrain from voting for any particular person or measure." Thus the legality of vote-swapping in California hinges on how the courts might define various terms—whether a vote counts as a "valuable consideration" and whether an offer to trade votes counts as an "inducement." The California secretary of state thinks they do, but a number of experts disagree."

The Federal statute is quite narrow and does not apply to vote trading so it will be up to the individual states to enforce their laws. However I do believe that interstate commerce rules and regulations might very well apply.

Jimbo

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I'm with the conservatives on this one. It's not slavery, but it's downright dirty and cheap. It takes advantage of a loophole in the electoral process, and that's lame.

I can't believe that this stuff is legal, and that one could run a site doing this.

I thought it was lame when I heard about the Republicans registering up college students in they states they moved to, so that their vote would be worth more.

What you're doing is 20 times lamer.

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The reason the electoral process can be exploited like this is because it sucks and everyone's vote doesn't count.

But I agree. Trading your vote is slimy.

-Michael

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The reason the electoral process can be exploited like this is because it sucks and everyone's vote doesn't count.


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At what point do you think your vote would actually count, when you and only you decide?

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I think that would be a clear case of my vote counting, yes.

Any system in which a geographic move by a few hundred voters dedicated to one specific cause could decide an election is stupid. Vote trading is effectively doing the same thing.

-Michael

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I live in a swing state. Whats to prevent me from operating under a pretense that I will vote for Nader(while knowing I will vote for Bush) just so I can sucker some liberal to throw away his vote?

Stu

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My suspicion is that most of the people who are supposedly trading the votes won't do it.

But, I think the reward clearly outweighs the risk in this case. I seriously doubt there will be enough of a movement to make a difference, though.

-Michael

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So much for voting your conscience. This is really pretty sad...

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So much for voting your conscience. This is really pretty sad...

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I agree, why don't you just piss on the Constitution and Alexander Hamilton's grave while your at it, not to mention all of the smaller/rural states. If the people want to change the electoral process, they will do it through amendments/laws.

Then again, as long as it's legal (if it is legal), I guess I can't complain too much. It still doesn't seem right though.

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Then again, as long as it's legal (if it is legal), I guess I can't complain too much.

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If politicians can manipulate and take advantage of the electoral college, the people can as well. I see absolutely no problem with this.

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voting fraud------>slavery...seriously, how is that the next logical step? give me a break.

rj

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It's pitiful, Grey, simply pitiful.

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You know what? This thread has made me lose all respect I had for the Electoral College.

You should do something just because a politician can do it? What kind of BS is that? Because you can do it does not make it right, or fair. It is quite sad that some votes seem to count more than others do. All votes are not created equal right now, and I cannot see upholding the electoral college when people are trying to abuse it this much. At least with a popular vote, people can go back to stuffing ballots and registering multiple times.

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If people think their vote doesnt count now, lets see how they feel with no electoral college when the candidates spend all their time in large metropolitan areas. And if you think politics are bad now, not having the Electoral College will open a nasty can of worms that will make the aftermath of the 2000 election look like childs play.

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*lives in large metropolitan area* (well, relatively), and so do most people. There. :P Politicians would spend more time in places people actually live.

And yeah, it's going to be one helluva litigation mess if we didn't have the electoral college, even bigger than the crap it is now, but I really don't like the fact that a vote in one state, such as Ohio, counts so much more than a vote in another state, such as Idaho.

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but I really don't like the fact that a vote in one state, such as Ohio, counts so much more than a vote in another state, such as Idaho.


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If it really bothers you that much why don't you just move to Ohio?

Jimbo