Flopped Set in SB
 

Been lurking for a few days. 1st post. Look forward to any insights you might have for improving my play.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

River: (13 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

I'd bet the flop. Given that you didn't, the rest looks fine.

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

It's a marginal call preflop - but some people have different standards for calling out of the SB - personally, I don't with small unsuited one gappers - not sure how many posters here do.

You should bet the flop - other than that, this hand is pretty good. The river card sucks - but that's poker.

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

i'd bet the flop myself, otherwise the rest looks fine.

btw, the correct term for the hand you have here is trips, not a set.

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

I see. So trips is when you match a pair on the board and a set is when the board matches your PP? I did not know that. That's some weird, wild stuff.

What is the reason for betting the flop as opposed to CR? Just curious. Thanks for the comments.

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

betting does a couple of things:

1) (my favorite) it tells your opponents "I do not have a 7"
2) it makes sure gutshot straight draws and backdoor flush draws don't get a free card
3) it gets money into the pot with the best hand

a checkraise accomplishes 3 just fine, but you don't want to take the (small) risk that it gets checked around - people are more likely to check through a scary flop like this, but they'll call with as little as one overcard.

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Results
 

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero has 7d 9h (three of a kind, sevens).
BB has 6c 2s (straight, seven high).
Button has 6s 3d (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Button wins 9.50 BB. BB wins 9.50 BB. </font>

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

Fold preflop, you save lots of chips that way [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Results
 

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Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero has 7d 9h (three of a kind, sevens).
BB has 6c 2s (straight, seven high).
Button has 6s 3d (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Button wins 9.50 BB. BB wins 9.50 BB. </font>

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At these guys to your buddy list.

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

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Fold preflop, you save lots of chips that way [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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11:1? Has anyone ever calculated the odds of flopping an OESD with a one-gapper that can make three straights? I'm sure someone has, but this is something I have never even thought about.

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

I have no idea what the odds are - nor do I really know how to calculate them - but I can't imagine this is a money making endeavor. For those of you who are math inclined - I'd love to hear if calling with an offsuited one gapper getting 11:1 (a little less because of the rake) is a worthwhile play.

Ajax

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

Not being a dick but just so someone isn't too you later, you flopped "trips" a set is when two are in your hand. But besides that, I would continue to play against these guys from the results, but I wouldn't have played the hand preflop, just don't think an offsuit one gapper is at all profitable even for half a small bet. As Lee Jones once said in a cardplayer article, when you call from the small blind, the dealer deals the flop and then everyone looks at you. First to act. Not a good position to be in. Play tight up front!

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

CDC beat you to the punch, but thanks for the info.

Agreed, I probably should not have been in the pot. I'm curious what are the minimum hands you guys would play in this situation? What about with fewer limpers?

Re: Flopped Set in SB
 

Ur fine being in the pot. Might want to check down after all the betting on the flop. thats all

For the price it cost to get in the hand u were right to play it.

Your money is going to come when you hit a stright, trips fh or quads. The biggest problem I have when I complete from the SB is not letting go when I should. IE I get K5s in the sb I complete I catch the 5 or a gs st. Then I get myself in trouble.

1 Thing I have not looked at is how many people are in the pot. That is a big factor to me of which hands I complete with.

Gets to me in the Sb with 8 allready in I will play any 2cards. Sooted unsooted dont matter. i figure when I hit my hand on the flop I am going to get paid.