2 pair on a monotone board
 

Hi all. This was a hand a friend of mine played. Since I'm not a NL player, I thought I'd ask your opinions.

Player Backgrounds: My friend is a very conservative limit hold-em player that has been quite successful in our 20-40 game, but has recently aqcuired a taste for NL. He is a solid player, but tends to lay down hands a little too often for my taste.

The SB is a very aggressive player that has done much better at NL than in our limit games. He likes to buy in enough to cover the table, and is pretty good at beating up the small stacks. He can lay down a marginal hand, but is always suspicous of bluffs, and therefore has trouble laying down better hands on scary boards.

SB has $3000. BB has $1000

Blinds are $2/$5

The hand: Folded to SB who calls. BB checks with Q-6o.

The flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

SB bets $300. What is the best move for BB?

Re: 2 pair on a monotone board
 

he bet 300 into a 15 or so dollar pot?

Re: 2 pair on a monotone board
 

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he bet 300 into a 15 or so dollar pot?

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Yes. He has a tendancy to overbet the pot just a tad. This is where the BB was a bit perplexed.

I did however hear of a play by Oneal Langsdon (SP?) where he bet 7k into a $300 dollar pot with the stone nuts and got called by a marginal hand because nobody would ever put him on the nuts here. I doubt the SB in this hand is aware of that move.

Re: 2 pair on a monotone board
 

If someone bet 7k into a $300 pot the nuts are the only hand I would put him on.

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What about the original question?

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I'd say this is an easy fold. Let the $5 go. If this guy consistently bets $300 into $15 pots, you can wait until you have a stonger hand to catch him.

Re: 2 pair on a monotone board
 

easy fold. if he has something like Qx with a diamond, its a coin flip. let the $5 go.

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Turbo fold, but for chrissakes don't tell him you folded 2 pair.

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I recommend you go broke in an unraised pot.

Thanks for the input
 

It seemed to me like a fold, but I don't want to offer advice to someone in a game that is unfamiliar to me. In limit this hand plays out much differently.

Does anyone get tempted here by the $300 lying in the pot from a potentialy marginal hand or a draw from an over aggressive player?

Re: Thanks for the input
 

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It seemed to me like a fold, but I don't want to offer advice to someone in a game that is unfamiliar to me. In limit this hand plays out much differently.

Does anyone get tempted here by the $300 lying in the pot from a potentialy marginal hand or a draw from an over aggressive player?

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I thin kthat regardless of the game, this is a fold.

Re: Thanks for the input
 

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It seemed to me like a fold, but I don't want to offer advice to someone in a game that is unfamiliar to me. In limit this hand plays out much differently.

Does anyone get tempted here by the $300 lying in the pot from a potentialy marginal hand or a draw from an over aggressive player?

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no.

Re: 2 pair on a monotone board
 

A good response to just about every massive overbet is, fold unless you have the nuts or a very solid read.

If this were on the river into a large pot, I could see it being a bluff, but it's neither.

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"Does anyone get tempted here by the $300 lying in the pot from a potentialy marginal hand or a draw from an over aggressive player?"

I don't. He bet $300 into a $10 pot on a flop that screams steal or trap. Situations like this are why I like playing NL more than limit. He might be stealing my BB and may do it all the time but, unlike in limit, it can won back many times over in just one hand.

When you have a high action guy on your immediate right, it doesn't make sense to get invloved with marginal hands on boards like that. They'll be better times to take a nice slice out of him.

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"there'll be better times to take a nice slice out of him."
I like the wording and agree 100% with the sentiment.
He will 'get caught speeding' sooner or later.