party poker unrealistic
 

Is party poker unrealistic or is it me? And if so how is UltimateBet?

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If by "unrealistic" you mean that you "always" lose hands that you are "supposed" to win, then YUP!

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That's what I mean. I'm not the best player in the world, but it seems like the best starting hand wins less often. Its like they try to keep as many people happy by moving around the money. Not sure if I'm explaining this right.

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Don't worry, you've made yourself *crystal* clear.

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I think Party is EXTREMELY unrealistic.

I just don't think it is possible for SO many players to be SO bad. I think it must be a figment of my imagination.

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I think of it as funrealistic.

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What about UltimateBet?

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noddyholder, lemme let you in on a little unknown secret- don't go making a big deal of it now, don't let anybody know, but Online Poker is Rigged! Every site! Your best bet is to stay away from poker all together and take up belly dancing in the tropics.

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I dont know about UB, but party's RNG is just 6 old men yelling numbers from a cage.

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I'd probably do better.

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I dont know about UB, but party's RNG is just 6 old men yelling numbers from a cage.

UB is ok, they use 6 women so it is entirely random and unpredictable.

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Does anyone give serious answers?

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I think Party is EXTREMELY unrealistic.

I just don't think it is possible for SO many players to be SO bad. I think it must be a figment of my imagination.

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agreed. I once fell off my chair while playing because I was in disbelief at how horrible the players were. Sometimes makes you wonder if there's a human brain at the other end of the screen.

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i don't know.....do you really think noddy has the figure for it?

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To be blunt, conspiracy theories dont play well on this forum. If it seems like the best hand looses that is b/c too many players play too many hands and stay with them too long -- meaning they suck out a lot. Good hands and good play wins in the longrun. The only unrealistic thing about mainstream online poker sites is the players. There are too many winning players on this forum for it to be a fluke.

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Fair enough. I DON'T have the figure for it believe me.

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If you think Party is "unrealistic", Pacific would blow your mind.

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If you think Party is "unrealistic", Pacific would blow your mind.

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I often hear that from poker forums. Most say that party is a rock garden compared to pacific. How is that humanly possible? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] seriously....

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Most say that party is a rock garden compared to pacific. How is that humanly possible? seriously....

Good players generally don't find it that worthwhile to play on pacific due to:

-slow play so less h/hr
-no text hand histories
-no pokertracker compatibility
-you can only play on table at a time (this is a big one)
-generally crappy software
-not good customer support (so i hear)
-lack of capitalisation when it's late at night (or, wait, is that me?)

so anyway due to the lack of good players, there is a much higher percentage of bad ones.

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Little bit o' lypo, give the ol shoulders a shave and he's one sexy mofo.

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So why not do what I do: play 3 tables at one site (in my case Paradise) and one at Pacific?

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Is party poker unrealistic or is it me? And if so how is UltimateBet?

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What is unreal to me is that you registered here in Nov. 03' and are asking this question now.

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Its because I won on the 2/4 tables ($1700 in 10 days playing 3 tables at once). Then they were down for maintenance and lost almost all of it back after cashing out. And now I can't come close to winning. I do well in Atlantic City at the 2/4 tables. I know people on this site don't really want to read this kind of thread, but I'm desperate. I feel I'm playing as well or better than in the beginning. I know I'm better than a lot of them by the way the play. Maybe I should take up belly dancing like the one guy wrote.

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So why not do what I do: play 3 tables at one site (in my case Paradise) and one at Pacific?

Because you still get half as many hands at Pacific. And the hand histories still suck. And you still can't use pokertracker. And support are still slow. And the software is still infuriating.

I don't see why you play at Paradise either.

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I don't see why you play at Paradise either.

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Because I am still at the kiddy pool: .25/.5

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I feel I'm playing as well or better than in the beginning.

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It's extremely likely that you aren't playing that well.

If you really are then you may just be hitting a bad streak. Variance happens.
But if you've lost most of your $1700 at 2/4 then the former is probably true.


IMO - anyone who asks such a question doesn't want to come to the realization that the reason they are losing is due to the leaks in their game.


if you post hands in the strategy forums (SS or ML) and page through some of the threads there I suspect your eyes will be opened by the mistakes in your game that you never knew were present.

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I will gladly admit I have leaks if I can just figure out what they are. I will read the threads to try to figure it out. Thanks for the advice.

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So why not do what I do: play 3 tables at one site (in my case Paradise) and one at Pacific?

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I was going to say the same thing, but you beat me to it.

H.

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Why do you guys even still reply to these posts???

GoT

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Why do you guys even still reply to these posts???

GoT

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What else are weekends for?

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It is. You're right. Players at live 2/4 are much worse than at Party 2/4.

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Two years ago, when Paradise was the biggest internet poker site, lots of people saying the same thing about them. You got this post wrong. You're supposed to tell us that you are a long time winning player in home games and casinos.

The best hand preflop doesn't always win, on Party, Pokerstars,Paradise, or in live games. You're playing holdem, not 2 card poker. Get used to it.

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Jeez, you got lucky and got off easy. The responses here today were the longest bout of prolonged kindness I think I've ever seen on this forum heheheh.

Seriously, it's been a long time between November 2003 and today. It is surprising you're just making this post now; it's usually one of the first posts anyone ever makes on the first day they register. You must have had a lot of downtime or something to just now starting feeling this way about Party and just now writing about it.

It's natural to feel that way, don't worry, but...it's a wrong outlook.

Do yourself a favor and look at the books and software forum for book recommendations. Any beginning player should read an introductory book like Internet Holdem by Matt Hilger or Winning Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones. Really study it hard, then get either Theory of Poker by Sklansky or Small Stakes Hold'em by Ed Miller next. If you do TOP 2nd, then don't forget SSH because it is a fantastic book.

Also, do a search for the favorite threads on 2+2 thread ...hmm lemme do it for you.... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1

Take these resources very seriously. Not only is poker a rough game, as you well know, but...other people take it seriously. If you don't, you could get in a world of hurt.

Good luck to you.

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Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

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Why do you guys even still reply to these posts???

GoT

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Really GOT, I love your posts. I think you are extremely intelligent, witty, and most likely very good looking, with a virle, masculine fragrance that has just a hint of that clouded mystery that the ladies find so enticing. But in this case, you are the pot calling the kettle black.

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I think you are extremely intelligent, witty, and most likely very good looking, with a virle, masculine fragrance that has just a hint of that clouded mystery that the ladies find so enticing.

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I'm pretty sure you were thinking of me.

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Its not that party poker is unrealistic, its that you are ill equiped. Check this out. And dont worry about everyone else, they just dont want the tools to spread.

peace

john nickle

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Are pattern maps still usable? Not that I would be worried about my 1/2 opponents using them, it just seems that by now major online sites should have been able to revise their RNG techniques to foil this.

Any ideas?

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mine still works,, but im not updated to the newest code, so it gets a bit,,,,,laggy.

peace

john nickle

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I'm going to try and help. Here's my suggestions:

1. Buy Pokertracker. It is worth every penny. If you had it you would see that your premium hands do in fact win more often, no matter how often you think your AA and KK lose. They are the best hands and win more often than any others. This will let you find your leaks.

2. Big leak #1 for me was playing too many hands. If your VPIP is over 23% then you are playing too many hands. I really think that's the upper limit of even remotely reasonable play.

3. Big leak #2 for me was playing big off suited cards too often KJ, KT, QJ, QT and JT (QJ in particular was killing me). I now play them 2 or 3 off the button in unraised pots. If I'm the first one in, I'll sometimes raise particularly on the button. I would often cold call with these hands which I now never do.

4. Big leak #4 for me was cold calling w/ AQ, AJ, KQ suited and unsuited way too often. I now do this in late position when there are other cold callers ahead of me and where I can expect 4 or 5 people to enter the pot. I'm looking mostly for big flops, flushes, straights, 2 pair, or trips. I play a pair very cautiously.

All in all lowering the early position limps w/ marginal hands and lowering the amount of cold calling has dropped my VPIP from about 21.5% to 19% which I think is a solid number and my preflop raising has gone from 5% to 7%.

I feel much better about my game recently and have managed to move up from 2/4 to 3/6 pretty successfully. I think 3/6 is noticably tougher on party than 2/4. If you look at tables you'll see that there are usually 5 to 7 tables w/ $45 average pots while there are many many more 2/4 tables w/ average pots of $30 and up. Pokertracker tells me that there are more good or at least reasonable players at 3/6 than 2/4. Most of the time if I get someone w/ a pokertracker note export at one of my tables his vpip is 17 to 23 and pfr is 5 to 9 which means he's at least reasonable and not a bad player. My goal right now is mostly to avoid the people I think are good players rather than neccessarily finding fish.

Oh and if you have pokertraker you'll see that things do even out even at what seems like a very suspicious party poker. It's just randomness. Good luck.