Site Review - Doylesroom
 

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Site:
Doylesroom/Victor Chandler (not positive this is a VC skin but it sure looks like it to me).

Traffic:
2200-3000 players at most times.

Ring games:

Texas Hold'em:

Limit: 9-seat games from .02/.04 to 10/20 there should always be a game going in to suit your bank-roll.

Big-bet: 9-seat NL and PL from .05/.10 to 2/4 NL games are more popular than PL.

Omaha:

High-only: 9-seat PL games from .05/.10 to .50/1.00 usually only low limit games running; limit from .10/.20 to 10/20 but it is rare that a limit game is going.

8/b: also 9-seat games same limits are High-only, generally only low-limit PL games going.

Sit-n-Gos:

Texas Hold'em: 9-seat from 0.04 to 100+9 SnG are always running at most limits. SnG are NL only except for some PL heads-up games. Heads-up games start at 0.20 to 50. Blinds are 8min for the standard games, there are also speed and turbo tournaments that have blinds are fast as 3min. I have not figured out the difference between SPEED and TURBO yet. Starting stack is 2000 and starting blinds are 20/40. Play is a little slower than UB and Party, so blinds do escalate briskly.

Omaha and Omaha 8/b: 9-seat PL from .10 to 15+1.50 (8/b also has limit games from .10c to 10+1) generally only the lowest limit games fill-up, and it will take a while to get nine people together (like to sit at a table while I am playing a NL SnG).

MTTs: NL and Limit tourney's from 25c to $198 (198 games are generally super satelittes) 100 being the highes cash game. They also have speed and ruby tournaments. Stanadard tourneys have 8min levels, but the higher buy-in games have 12min levels. This weekend there was a 10k guaranteed 100 buy-in event that only attracted 58 players! Nice EV there! Typical fields are under 100 - max is 630.


The site also has Omaha tourneys (both types) but they rarely run. Today there is a $600 guaranteed re-buy with a $9 PLO that so far only has 5 people enter, I will have to keep my eye on that one!

Free-rolls and bonuses:

Doylesroom give Action Points for time at that tables. One great thing these point can be used for is free rolls that pay cash. For a mere 100 APs ( have almost 200 after just a few weeks or playing cheap SnGs) a player can enter a free roll with a $50 prize pool. For those high rollers that play often, 12,000 point will get a player into a $2,500 prize pool MTT. A recent 2,000 AP free-roll attracted 200 or so players and paid $135 for first place.

Players:

There are a lot of very aggressive players on this site. And since it is a skin for VC, a lot of European players that like to gamble. Good example, in a NL cash game on a board on 8h 7h 7s, I had a guy call my all in with 10d 9s. There is money to be made on the site.

Overall, the interface is decent, with "flags" for the icon for each player. One negative, you can only have 2 tables open at once.

If you decide to try the site, be sure to check the home page for your first deposit bonus (I can't believe I forgot to do this). The site accepts Neteller and Visa?MC through that is charged to a 3rd party.

I really like this site for "Party" nights, because I can play some cheap sit-n-gos and drink and not have to think too much about my game, while chatting with friends.

PS

Another negative of the site is the hand history. No round by round history is available, and so the histories are useless in checking your play and are not compatible with PT.

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Also the note taking feature has been added but its not very good when you click on notes it seems to bring up the note for all the players you have notes on rather than a litte box on the player so if have notes on multiple players its a nightmare.

A lot of the regular players on VC are pretty unhappy with the site at the moment and a number have closed their accounts, there have been a number of issues with their servers crashing.

Also most of their freeze out tournies now are 8 minute levels and in the rebuys the rebuy period seems to be getting extended more and more into more levels. Its probably a good site for rebuy specialists.

The 1/2 games there are pretty decent for a player who knows what they are doing and from what I have seen the 10/20 game is pretty loose with a few idiots playing there.

Re: Site Review - Doylesroom
 

I just finished the PLO tourney - out of the money.

I never rebought, I lost a key hand early, but made a decent come-back.

Here is a hand that is, I think, a good example of how bad the PLO players are.

Flop is J T 5, rainbow, I check raise all-in - I think the raise was 1400.

I get called by KQJx and AK53. An open ender and a belly buster. Unfortunately the belly buster hit, and I lost about half the pot, hardly any one took the rebuy.

I wish I would have re-bought early and add-on, I think this would have helped a lot after the blinds increase.

I also forgot that they do have 6-seat tourneys.

How are the cashouts?
 

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This is not SPAM! And I am not affiliated with the site.

Site:
Doylesroom/Victor Chandler (not positive this is a VC skin but it sure looks like it to me).

Traffic:
2200-3000 players at most times.

Ring games:

Texas Hold'em:

Limit: 9-seat games from .02/.04 to 10/20 there should always be a game going in to suit your bank-roll.

Big-bet: 9-seat NL and PL from .05/.10 to 2/4 NL games are more popular than PL.

Omaha:

High-only: 9-seat PL games from .05/.10 to .50/1.00 usually only low limit games running; limit from .10/.20 to 10/20 but it is rare that a limit game is going.

8/b: also 9-seat games same limits are High-only, generally only low-limit PL games going.

Sit-n-Gos:

Texas Hold'em: 9-seat from 0.04 to 100+9 SnG are always running at most limits. SnG are NL only except for some PL heads-up games. Heads-up games start at 0.20 to 50. Blinds are 8min for the standard games, there are also speed and turbo tournaments that have blinds are fast as 3min. I have not figured out the difference between SPEED and TURBO yet. Starting stack is 2000 and starting blinds are 20/40. Play is a little slower than UB and Party, so blinds do escalate briskly.

Omaha and Omaha 8/b: 9-seat PL from .10 to 15+1.50 (8/b also has limit games from .10c to 10+1) generally only the lowest limit games fill-up, and it will take a while to get nine people together (like to sit at a table while I am playing a NL SnG).

MTTs: NL and Limit tourney's from 25c to $198 (198 games are generally super satelittes) 100 being the highes cash game. They also have speed and ruby tournaments. Stanadard tourneys have 8min levels, but the higher buy-in games have 12min levels. This weekend there was a 10k guaranteed 100 buy-in event that only attracted 58 players! Nice EV there! Typical fields are under 100 - max is 630.


The site also has Omaha tourneys (both types) but they rarely run. Today there is a $600 guaranteed re-buy with a $9 PLO that so far only has 5 people enter, I will have to keep my eye on that one!

Free-rolls and bonuses:

Doylesroom give Action Points for time at that tables. One great thing these point can be used for is free rolls that pay cash. For a mere 100 APs ( have almost 200 after just a few weeks or playing cheap SnGs) a player can enter a free roll with a $50 prize pool. For those high rollers that play often, 12,000 point will get a player into a $2,500 prize pool MTT. A recent 2,000 AP free-roll attracted 200 or so players and paid $135 for first place.

Players:

There are a lot of very aggressive players on this site. And since it is a skin for VC, a lot of European players that like to gamble. Good example, in a NL cash game on a board on 8h 7h 7s, I had a guy call my all in with 10d 9s. There is money to be made on the site.

Overall, the interface is decent, with "flags" for the icon for each player. One negative, you can only have 2 tables open at once.

If you decide to try the site, be sure to check the home page for your first deposit bonus (I can't believe I forgot to do this). The site accepts Neteller and Visa?MC through that is charged to a 3rd party.

I really like this site for "Party" nights, because I can play some cheap sit-n-gos and drink and not have to think too much about my game, while chatting with friends.

PS

Another negative of the site is the hand history. No round by round history is available, and so the histories are useless in checking your play and are not compatible with PT.

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I have heard that these VC skins, (especially Golden Palace) are very, very slow and bad about cashouts. Is this one of those absurd sites that make you send them your Driver's License, Utility Bill, Stool Sample and all that other nonsense?

Re: How are the cashouts?
 

I dont know about the cash outs yet, but I just used my credit card.

Re: How are the cashouts?
 

im pretty sure victor chandler bought golden palace, i could be wrong but thats what i remember hearing. I have been playing at vc since january and i have never had problems cashing out ,was 4 days with wire transfers and they paid the fees, they only recently started accepting neteller and its 1 business day to get cash out into neteller.

Re: How are the cashouts?
 

I have found VC cash outs to be quick back to my debit card.

They had another rebuy tournament cancelled again last night the $50,000 guarentted as the cashier server went down in the middle of the rebuy period.

Its a decent site but they are having a lot og problems at the moment.

Re: Site Review - Doylesroom
 

What do you mean, "idiots"? I hope you don't refer to your customers.

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I dont understand the question I am not the owner of VC?

However as I work in IT support I do find and call most of my customers idiots, although generally after I have put the phone down.

Re: Site Review - Doylesroom
 

I think he means that these "idiots" provide you with your winnings and hence are your customers.

I've found VC to be an "OK" site. Quick cashouts, can use debit card, softish games. The software is fast but the notes and hand histories can be a problem.

Oh, they also charge juice (5%) on each rebuy as well as the initial buy-in.

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I haven't looked but it's almost sure a Golden/Victor skin. Your example doesn't say much without details, looks pretty normal to me to call some all in with 4S and 2OC, the only problem was that it was only ten high (with a call). That site has however had and still has players who can do stuff like calling all in a pot size flop bet vs. a preflop raiser in a full ring game, having just AJ overcards, something that's there at the beginning of the evolution of big bet holdem. The quality of play has been getting better with time but no surprise to see some loose play. They probably require paper work when you cash out your winnings, Golden does, taking maybe two weeks.

Re: Site Review - Doylesroom
 

I played a VC skin, I was required to fax my credit card (I refused because i didnt use CC for deposit which added about 7 day hassle), drivers license and 2 utility bills, it took a second try because of the usual "We didnt get it" BS. In the end it took 23 days to get my cashout which was exactly the amount of my deposit, all the while getting reverse your cashout bonus offers, although the games were soft and easy they failed my quick test on how fast and hassle free cashouts were, they lost my business forever.

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I spent the last week accumulating 10,000 Action Points for a free copy of Super System 2 and I found Doyle's Room to be an average small site. Any game I was in was very soft, including some wild games with a couple maniacs who'd cap everything preflop and on the flop. The sit and goes are pretty soft too. The difference between the Speed and Turbo SNGs is that in Speed, the level goes up every three minutes and in Turbo, the level goes up every minute. The Turbos are a total crapshoot, so I didn't bother with them.

There is usually some ring game action at the 1/2 level (1-3 tables) and occasionally a 2/4 game. I don't play higher than that, but I have seen their 3/6 and 4/8 games going, and it seems like there is always a 5/10 or 10/20.

The Action Points add up really fast if you play 2/4, and pretty fast still if you stick to 1/2. If you want the free copy of Super System 2 that they're offering, I'd recommend playing there, but otherwise, I don't see much of a reason to play there. While the games are fishy, the software is nothing special and yesterday the server crashed for about an hour (according to some of the regulars, this happens often). I am waiting on my cashout (requested it last night) and I'll post if there's any problems.

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Actually, they have been having server problems, but I see that as a good sign, they are growing, every site I have played had problems like that. I remember party cancelling some pretty big tourney's about a year ago. They had to restrict site access while they were playing any way.

DR has continous cash free rolls too. And every time there is a crash, they add more. This week was the first time on the 3 I had been playing there I have seen problems but I had also seen a jump in traffic.

Re: Site Review - Doylesroom
 

As an update, DR just added 50/100 limit and 3/6NL. One table each. Doyle and Mike Caro are supposed to play from time to time, but I have not seen them yet.

The rake on the 50/100 table looks like it caps at 4 bucks! They are both table have good games going right now.

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This seems like an excellent whoring. Does anyone have more information about accumulating these "action points". The website is rather vague in its description (included below). Any players comments would be greatly appreciated.

Neteller Bonus Percentage 35%
Maximum Bonus Amount $140.00
(with a deposit of $400, or more)
Action Points Required 13,500


How Action Points are awarded
A pool of Action Points is generated per hand. Each time a bet is made, the Action Points pool increases.
So, the larger the pot, the more Action Points there will be *.
The available points per pot will be distributed to all players who are dealt a hand in the pot on a pro-rated (percentage) basis.
The more you bet, the larger your share of the hand's available Action Points will be -- and it doesn't matter whether you win or lose the pot!
Currently, Action Points awarded for tournament fees are credited towards the Action Points usable for freeroll entries and prizes.
* For every real money hand that is dealt a maximum of 300 Action Points will be awarded.

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I never figured out exactly how the points are awarded. However, I cleared the bonus in probably 10 hours. I played everything, then settled on the .25/.50 and .50/1 NL games. I seem to remember getting around 180 points for a pot that was over $50. I was playing two tables much of the time. Anyway, there is a NL Omaha/8 game with a tiny buyin of maybe $5, and the blinds are .05/.10 and the players are terrible. I played for about an hour and got a lot of points there, and won some cash. When I reached my bonus, I quit, but will play there again after my latest rash of bonus and the OIC. Be prepared to play some very weak, but lucky players.

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Re: Site Review - Doylesroom
 

One cool feature I just noticed, the hand you folded is displayed in the lower right corner through-out the hand.

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I know this is old, but thanks for the review. I listed you (or at least this same username) as my referral.

One thing they should probably fix is, attempting to register a username that's already taken gives this wonderfully incoherent message:

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microsoft ole db provider for odbc drivers error '80040e14'

[microsoft][odbc sql server driver][sql server]delete statement conflicted with column reference constraint 'fk_affiliates_badcodes_players'. the conflict occurred in database 'new_platinum'

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The scary thing is, if i knew more about their database structure i could probably have troubleshot what was going on, but instead i just guessed and fixed the problem. The marvelous user-friendliness of such a message is matched only by its hacker-friendliness -- i'm not a webmaster, but as i understand it giving hackers the names of objects in your schema/structure isn't something you want to do.

Maybe i'll overcome my laziness and email them about it one day. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I know this is old, but thanks for the review. I listed you (or at least this same username) as my referral.

One thing they should probably fix is, attempting to register a username that's already taken gives this wonderfully incoherent message:

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microsoft ole db provider for odbc drivers error '80040e14'

[microsoft][odbc sql server driver][sql server]delete statement conflicted with column reference constraint 'fk_affiliates_badcodes_players'. the conflict occurred in database 'new_platinum'

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The scary thing is, if i knew more about their database structure i could probably have troubleshot what was going on, but instead i just guessed and fixed the problem. The marvelous user-friendliness of such a message is matched only by its hacker-friendliness -- i'm not a webmaster, but as i understand it giving hackers the names of objects in your schema/structure isn't something you want to do.

Maybe i'll overcome my laziness and email them about it one day. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Holy sh*t, batman. Any MSSQL developer worth his/her salt could have a field day with this if properly motivated.