Josh\'s apology
 

Josh apologized on RGP last night. The link is as follows:

http://tinyurl.com/6qh5e

The post is appropriately named, "My big hand with Harry, from the Ass himself".

Ken

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i cant get there from my work firewall. can someone copy and paste if you dont mind? thanks.

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thats pretty cool of him.

sometimes it hurts seeing yourself in third person.

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First off i want to apoligize for the way i acted after winning that
hand... let me explain myself... Imagine believing you are going to win 5
million dollars the whole time you are playing and seeing it all flash in
front of you at once... i was definitely caught up in the moment and acted
childishly. I am definitely an emotional player, but not to that
extent... As i watched tonights show, i couldnt believe the way i acted
and wanted to publicly apoligize to harry, it disgusted me to watch my
reaction... I should have reacted in a much more professional manner...
Now to explain the hand.. i raised in first position, then after the flop
i had 900k remaining, i bet 400k, basically telling my opponents that i am
playing this hand to the river... AJ wasnt a hand i thought an opponent
would shove with... i was wrong, there was a moment of shock,
dissapointment, and humility all at the same time... hopefully that
explains the way i acted... At this point in the tournament every hand is
the most important hand of your life... i lost my cool and i want to send
a sincere apology to Harry, and when i see him in person i will apoligize
again.. thats not like me, i just hope that people that know me explain
that i am a compationate person who cares about others feelings... Dont
get me wrong i looked at the WSOP this year as a war for 5 million
dollars, thats why you will see me needle people here and there, but that
was uncalled for and was kicking someone when they were down... i hope you
understand


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my opinion of him improved after reading this, although I still think its pretty bad to make fun of someone after they have just lost a big hand. He talks about how every hand is so big for him and how its so important......well imagine how the guy who just lost the hand felt! With that said, this is a classy apology.

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i agree. although it still was very lame. you go all in on a draw(although a very good one) and criticize the guy who read you as being weak perfectly. ill give him the benefit of the doubt. maybe he will learn from it. he is obviously very skilled but he came off as a total ass to me. needling someone who has just lost the most important pot of his life after you suck out on the river is evil.

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my opinion of him improved after reading this, although I still think its pretty bad to make fun of someone after they have just lost a big hand. He talks about how every hand is so big for him and how its so important......well imagine how the guy who just lost the hand felt! With that said, this is a classy apology.

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I agree. I had liked Josh during the early part of the coverage, but he came off as an arrogant prick last night for parts of it. The feature vignette where he said he outplays his opponents "95% of the time" struck me as rather arrogant for someone who I haven't seen at a WPT final table. I know he's a great player, but he sounded a little like Hellmuth there, implying that he'd be winning every event he enters if luck didn't play a factor.

Regarding the specific hand against Harry (I love that everyone is using his first name, since most are probably like me and can't remember - or spell - his last name), he acted on the broadcast like playing AJ in that situation was just a crime against humanity, and that hitting his flush on the river was some sort of karma-ish redemption for being up against such a crappy hand.

I just don't understand his reactions, I mean, I know AJo isn't necessarily a hand that you want to be calling a raise and a cold-caller with in no limit, but after that flop, did Josh really think that it hadn't hit one of his opponents?

I'm glad he apologized, and did so in a public nature. Needling an opponent after a hand is just low class IMO.

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Josh was splashing around a lot of pots in this tourney. Harry made a stand with top pair. If you can't make a stand against an uber-aggresso like Arieh with top pair, even on a scary board like that, then you're just going to let him take every damn pot against you. Josh shouldn't have really been that surprised by how he was played back at in that situation.

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my opinion of him improved after reading this

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Not mine? He shoulda realized what an ass he was back in May and not after seeing himself on TV. Spin control in my opinion and not a very good job of it at that. Once a dick, always a dick until proven otherwise and this lame apology doesn't prove a thing to me.

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I think under stress his true nature came out. He acted immature and quite vindictive. I for one and glad that another player criticized him as well as the announcers. People not taking stands against jerks just allow them to think it is acceptable. It finally took this jerk to see himself to understand the lack of his character. Perhaps he will turn it around and show some respect and class but one apology is just the first step. He obviously needs alot more in that direction.

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Are we even sure it is Josh Aplogizing? I could go on there saying I was Doyle Brunson if I wanted.

I don't think there is any reason to act the way he did after that pot. No class.

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can someone plaese copy and paste this...i would love to read it

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Spin control in my opinion and not a very good job of it at that.

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This was my impression as well.

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Good points. Unless his apology is followed up with appropriate behaviour then it's meaningless.

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My father-in-law, who doesn't even play or follow poker, was hanging out on the sofa last night. His comment after the Arieh interview, "That boy sure is full of himself. I don't see that Jesus guy bragging and the announcers say he's real good."

Perceptive, even if he is an in-law

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I don't recall which episode we first saw Josh, but he has rubbed me the wrong way ever since. Last night was a vindication of my people reading skills- he acted EXACTLY as I would have expected him to. His apology is half-hearted at best; he shouldn't explain the hand. He should apologize for acting like a c**k and be done with it.

I was happy to see that both Demetriou and Norman Chad called him on his boorish behavior.

And don't even get me started on Mattias Andersson...

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Josh was splashing around a lot of pots in this tourney. Harry made a stand with top pair. If you can't make a stand against an uber-aggresso like Arieh with top pair, even on a scary board like that, then you're just going to let him take every damn pot against you.

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Also in defense of Harry's play, his gutshot gave him ~15% equity against most hands he's behind.

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He's a dink with or without the apology.

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my opinion of him improved after reading this

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Not mine? He shoulda realized what an ass he was back in May and not after seeing himself on TV. Spin control in my opinion and not a very good job of it at that. Once a dick, always a dick until proven otherwise and this lame apology doesn't prove a thing to me.

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Right on the money. Human nature is revealed under stress - the veneer is washed clean: Josh A? Dick.

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Oh well, we can sit here and whine about his childish behavior, but in the end he's still laughing all the way to the bank. At least he took the liberty to finish Harry off after the AJ hand.

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Oh well, we can sit here and whine about his childish behavior, but in the end he's still laughing all the way to the bank. At least he took the liberty to finish Harry off after the AJ hand.

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didnt he do that with A7 vs harrys A9?

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you pull that stuff at a table with me and you will be immediately going on the "Phsyically Unable to Perform" list.

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sweeeet response from an RGP poster.. that about sums up how i would feel if i was Harry D... Josh is a good player, but his reaction was pitiful and classless, regardless of any apology. have some respect at the table, especially when you KNOW there are cameras catching every second of it..

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didnt he do that with A7 vs harrys A9?

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Harry had AK.

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AJ wasnt a hand i thought an opponent would shove with...

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First of all, I think Harry put Josh on a steal and/or draw, and didn't want to give Josh the pot or a free card. Top pair, third kicker is definitely vulnerable, but he clearly didn't think Josh had him beat, and he was right. Plus, he had the gutshot draw. I don't think Harry's play was that bad.

Second, I don't understand what Josh wanted to see from Harry (after the push)--what hand did he expect Harry would go all-in with? Two pair? Made straight? Higher flush draw? In any case, wouldn't Josh be calling when he was behind? Or was he expecting the push to be with a worse hand? I don't get it.

Seriously, when Josh decided to call Harry's all-in, what cards would he have been happy to see AND not have thought Harry was an idiot to push?

-Z

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AJ wasnt a hand i thought an opponent would shove with...

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First of all, I think Harry put Josh on a steal and/or draw, and didn't want to give Josh the pot or a free card. Top pair, third kicker is definitely vulnerable, but he clearly didn't think Josh had him beat, and he was right. Plus, he had the gutshot draw. I don't think Harry's play was that bad.

Second, I don't understand what Josh wanted to see from Harry (after the push)--what hand did he expect Harry would go all-in with? Two pair? Made straight? Higher flush draw? In any case, wouldn't Josh be calling when he was behind? Or was he expecting the push to be with a worse hand? I don't get it.

Seriously, when Josh decided to call Harry's all-in, what cards would he have been happy to see AND not have thought Harry was an idiot to push?

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it was actually top pair/top kicker

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can someone plaese copy and paste this...i would love to read it

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look up a few posts

cool...
 

im really glad that people have went from acting civil and not having to apologize to making asses out of themselves, apologizing and then hoping to have respect. youre not going to get respect by acting like a total douchebag, making ridiculous claims and then apologizing for them. people need to realize what respect is and why one might have it for another person and then realize that what they are doing is not going to garner them any respect, so they should probably stop demanding it.

rj

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Wasn't his wife in the hospital at some point during the tournament? While he did act a bit rough, obviously there was a lot of emotion for him being in the tourney...

I think he deserves a bit of a break....

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I agree that one's true colors really come out at the poker table...

But then again, we've all had our ahole moments in our lives, I am no exception.

Josh has no filter when he gets excited.... not unusual... per Matts, The Mouth, Phil H., etc etc....

>Trainwreck< <---says it all
LOL!

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First of all, I think Harry put Josh on a steal and/or draw, and didn't want to give Josh the pot or a free card. Top pair, third kicker (sic) is definitely vulnerable, but he clearly didn't think Josh had him beat, and he was right. Plus, he had the gutshot draw. I don't think Harry's play was that bad.

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Shows what I know. Here's Harry's thoughts (from rgp):

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I took a while before going all in but the correct play by a long way was to fold becasue as Josh was the pre flop raiser the best I could hope for was to be a slight favourite. As it happens I was lucky to be in front of
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-Z

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Smarmy is a word I don't particular like, but there are a very few individuals in this world for whom this word is necessary. Dan Le Batard was the worst offender until I saw Josh Arieh on this broadcast.

-Michael

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So what would happen if Harry lost it and punched Josh right in the face? Would he be disqualified from the tourney? (since he still had a stack left?) I've never heard of this happening--are there rules for it?

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I was thinking the same thing, cause if I was Harry in that situation I may have lost my cool and knocked Josh's bitch ass out. Does anyone have any experience with fighting during a tournament or know what the possible penalties are depending on the degreed and such. Just some what curious, cause too many people these days act like jackasses and should be knocked out. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]