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Bad night at Pokerstars
The worst night I've ever had at Pokerstars, I lost $70 from my $140 buy-in. Would you have played any of these 5 hands differently?
*********** Hand 1 ************** PokerStars Game #643622556: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players ME: SB [Js Jd] Player 1: Middle 4 limp in to see a flop, I can't drive anyone out so limp. *** FLOP *** [9c 7h 4s] ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [9c 7h 4s] [5c] ME: bets $4 Player 1: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [9c 7h 4s 5c] [Qd] ME: checks Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [8s Qs] (a pair of Queens) ME: [Js Jd] Player 1 collected $27 from pot. I included this hand as it was typical of 2 previous hands I had just played. *********** Hand 2 ************** PokerStars Game #643619449: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players ME: Early [Th Qh] Player 1: SB I together with the blinds limp in. 3 people see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6d Qs Qc] All Chk. I flop 3 queens and decide to slowplay with only a 6 on a rainbow board. *** TURN *** [6d Qs Qc] [4h] Player 1: bets $4 Big Blind folds ME: raises $4 to $8 Player 1: raises $4 to $12 ME: raises $4 to $16 Betting is capped Player 1: calls $4 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [6d Qs Qc 4h] [5d] *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Queens) ME: mucks hand Player 1 collected $37 from pot Where should I have got away from the hand ??? *********** Hand 3 ************** PokerStars Game #643631086: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players. Player 1: middle ME: late [Qd Qh] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 2 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Ts Tc Js] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Ts Tc Js] [3c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $4 Player 1: raises $4 to $8 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [Ts Tc Js 3c] [6d] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Td Kd] (three of a kind, Tens) ME: [Qd Qh] player 1 collected $38 from pot He could have had AJ or KJ when he Chk/Raised the turn, there was lots of bluffing going on. Should I have got away from the hand? *********** Hand 4 ************** PokerStars Game #643638640: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players Player 1: UTG ME: Early [As Ac] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 w/ 2 others . 4 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Td Ah 4c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Td Ah 4c] [Jd] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 A caller becomes a bettor and I feel he has KQ for the straight to crack my aces, I guess I have 9 outs to a boat and the other Ace, does 10 outs enable me to re-raise? *** RIVER *** [Td Ah 4c Jd] [7c] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces) ME: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces) ME: collected $36 from pot A few players were coming in with AK and AQ without a raise to trap others, the betting was relentless and pots were reaching $100+ every other hand. I had just had pocket queens cracked and 3 queens beaten before that. Should I have jammed the Turn and River here even if I thought I was behind ? *********** Hand 5 ************** PokerStars Game #643641572: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 8 Players ME: Button [As Js] Player 1: UTG 5 limp in to see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6c Qh Ac] All check to... Player 1: bets $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 All fold to.. Player 1: raises $2 to $6 ME: calls $2 I've got what I wanted and driven the other players out but I'm surprised with a re-Raise and immediately suspect 2 pair here, probably A6 but I can't fold! *** TURN *** [6c Qh Ac] [8s] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [6c Qh Ac 8s] [Ks] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Qd] ME: As Js Player 1 collected $37 from pot. Where should I have let it go ? Thanks. |
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1) Do not post multiple hands in one post
2) Read Tosh's reply 3) Do not post bad beat stories 4) 70 dollars = 17.5 BBs, quite normal. 5) Welcome to 2+2. ** I read it very briefly and you got some serious holes to plug. |
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise.
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I guess I'll take a shot
[ QUOTE ] The worst night I've ever had at Pokerstars, I lost $70 from my $140 buy-in. Would you have played any of these 5 hands differently? *********** Hand 1 ************** PokerStars Game #643622556: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players ME: SB [Js Jd] Player 1: Middle 4 limp in to see a flop, I can't drive anyone out so limp. *** FLOP *** [9c 7h 4s] ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [9c 7h 4s] [5c] ME: bets $4 Player 1: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [9c 7h 4s 5c] [Qd] ME: checks Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [8s Qs] (a pair of Queens) ME: [Js Jd] Player 1 collected $27 from pot. <font color="blue"> RAISE PREFLOP. It's not about getting people to fold, it's about putting money in with the best hand. </font> I included this hand as it was typical of 2 previous hands I had just played. *********** Hand 2 ************** PokerStars Game #643619449: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players ME: Early [Th Qh] Player 1: SB I together with the blinds limp in. 3 people see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6d Qs Qc] All Chk. I flop 3 queens and decide to slowplay with only a 6 on a rainbow board. <font color="blue"> Bet the flop, they will call you. if you get raised, 3-bet, if it gets capped call down.</font> *** TURN *** [6d Qs Qc] [4h] Player 1: bets $4 Big Blind folds ME: raises $4 to $8 Player 1: raises $4 to $12 ME: raises $4 to $16 Betting is capped Player 1: calls $4 and is all-in <font color="blue"> Don't cap, he isn't 3-betting you with a weaker queen, if he is, it's Q4 or Q6 </font> *** RIVER *** [6d Qs Qc 4h] [5d] *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Queens) ME: mucks hand Player 1 collected $37 from pot Where should I have got away from the hand ??? *********** Hand 3 ************** PokerStars Game #643631086: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players. Player 1: middle ME: late [Qd Qh] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 2 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Ts Tc Js] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Ts Tc Js] [3c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $4 Player 1: raises $4 to $8 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [Ts Tc Js 3c] [6d] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Td Kd] (three of a kind, Tens) ME: [Qd Qh] player 1 collected $38 from pot He could have had AJ or KJ when he Chk/Raised the turn, there was lots of bluffing going on. Should I have got away from the hand? <font color="blue"> Nothing you can do here, certainly can't fold </font> *********** Hand 4 ************** PokerStars Game #643638640: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players Player 1: UTG ME: Early [As Ac] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 w/ 2 others . 4 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Td Ah 4c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Td Ah 4c] [Jd] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 A caller becomes a bettor and I feel he has KQ for the straight to crack my aces, I guess I have 9 outs to a boat and the other Ace, does 10 outs enable me to re-raise? *** RIVER *** [Td Ah 4c Jd] [7c] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces) ME: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces) ME: collected $36 from pot A few players were coming in with AK and AQ without a raise to trap others, the betting was relentless and pots were reaching $100+ every other hand. I had just had pocket queens cracked and 3 queens beaten before that. Should I have jammed the Turn and River here even if I thought I was behind ? <font color="blue"> Raise/Cap the turn, Raise/Cap the river. There is ONE hand that beats you, don't play scared.</font> *********** Hand 5 ************** PokerStars Game #643641572: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 8 Players ME: Button [As Js] Player 1: UTG 5 limp in to see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6c Qh Ac] All check to... Player 1: bets $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 All fold to.. Player 1: raises $2 to $6 ME: calls $2 I've got what I wanted and driven the other players out but I'm surprised with a re-Raise and immediately suspect 2 pair here, probably A6 but I can't fold! *** TURN *** [6c Qh Ac] [8s] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [6c Qh Ac 8s] [Ks] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Qd] ME: As Js Player 1 collected $37 from pot. Where should I have let it go ? <font color="blue">Raise or fold preflop, probably raise </font> Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] |
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] I think you are wrong. |
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I think I missed the section in SSH where it advocates playing top set meekly when it's the second nuts.
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Paradise and Pokerstars are the homes of the toughest limit play on the net, so nice table selection there on your part. Additionaly, while you may indeed be misapplying SSH concepts, I can tell by your comments that you are missing a great deal.
So my suggestions are the following. Break each hand down, use the converter and post them individually. Get away from Pokerstars and try the multitude of other sites. SSH is more geared toward the loose aggressive nature of Party. |
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah... his books been out for what.... a month? In that same time period, my winrate is 11.7BB/100 in 4k+ hands (after reading it). What does that mean? Nothing. Small sample size. |
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] The JJ and AJs hands where you didn't raise PF show that you need to do some rereading, and that honestly, any losses post-SSH so far are more likely from misapplying the concepts than the concepts themselves. After reading it a couple of times, there are certainly some adjustments to be made for slightly tighter games, but most of the concepts can still be profitable when applied correctly. Your very first hand there with JJ, where you didn't raise "because you won't drive anyone out"...just terrible. Reread, post more hands, and play a lower level until you feel comfortable with the aggressiveness of SSH. |
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] You limped with JJ. You can either reread or wait for the Cliffs Notes. Seriously, this thread is a waste of time. If you think SSH ruined your game, fine. You took some beats. Want a tissue? Remember that line from Glengarry Glen Ross? I used to play poker...it's a tough racket. If you want to learn and you want the forum regulars here to help, do us a favor and at least have the courtesy to convert your damn hands. |
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Read the other responses in this thread. They are ALL steering you towards the right mindset despite their harsh tone.
I'll just offer some advice on the hands: Hand 1: Raise preflop and bet the river. Hand 2: Looks OK to me. Players close to all-in with often bet overly aggressive and unpredictably so your turn cap is fine. Hand 3: With some moderate bluffing, calling down is probably OK. With a lot of bluffing going on and a lot of draws on the board, calling down is at the very least correct. 3-betting the turn is also an option. Hand 4: Raise the turn. Like you said you have a bunch of outs IF you're behind but you could very well be ahead of a bunch of hands like 2 pair, a smaller set or top pair. Hand 5: Raise preflop. This is similar to hand 1 with JJ. You want to raise now when your pot equity is clearly large and can easily capture an extra bet from everyone. I'd probably 3-bet the flop but certainly wouldn't fold. You say you read Ed's book but are making clear errors that go against some of his basic concepts. Not raising JJ and AJs in those spots is a HUGE mistake. Reread Hand #5 from Ed's Preflop Quiz on p. 259. That's the ATs hand where there's 6 limpers to you in the BB and he says not raising might be a bigger mistake than raising with 72o. Also, stop thinking, "How can I get away from this hand?" when you have a strong hand and face a little resistance. It will only get you in trouble against loose and aggressive online players. Good luck and welcome to the forum. Luke |
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I don't feel comfortable with JJ or AJo/s, if A,K,Q comes down with the former I have to fold to any bet unless I become a calling station and I can't be confident I have the best Ace with the latter. People will play AK and AQ quietly in these games with $100+ (25+BB)pots. Also a pre-flop raise in this game caused a domino effect whereby it would guarantee every round would be capped and I didn't feel like paying 4 pre-flop bets with JJ due to the fact I was down at this point. You can't seperate emotions from the math.
Thanks for your help, I really enjoyed playing in the game but it would have been great to enjoy it and finish ahead. |
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"Remember that line from Glengarry Glen Ross?"
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In no way does SSH advocate this mode of extremely weak tight thinking. You can't say SSH made you into a losing player if you obviously aren't playing in any sembelance of the style that SSH advocates. You can't have your cake and eat it too, buddy.
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OMG. Did you scribble your little "capping" thing in there?
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Ph33r my l33t Ph0to5h0p skillzzzz
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coffee is for closers.
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I don't feel comfortable with JJ or AJo/s, if A,K,Q comes down with the former I have to fold to any bet unless I become a calling station and I can't be confident I have the best Ace with the latter. People will play AK and AQ quietly in these games with $100+ (25+BB)pots. Also a pre-flop raise in this game caused a domino effect whereby it would guarantee every round would be capped and I didn't feel like paying 4 pre-flop bets with JJ due to the fact I was down at this point. You can't seperate emotions from the math. [/ QUOTE ] My gosh. I'm going to try to respond to this in a nice way before some of the other guys get to you. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] First, based on these paragraphs alone, you're playing at too high of a level to be a long term winner. I've been there, and that weak-tight thinking will only limit your potential earning. I'm the first to admit that when you take some beats, and have some hands cracked, it's tough to stay aggressive. But this is usually especially the case when you're playing higher than your bankroll can support. I post/play more in the micro .50/1 and 1/2 levels, but decided the other night to sit in a Party 2/4 game for a bit since people seem to say they're better than the 1/2 game. But I quickly found that I was way too uncomfortable with the potential swings, and I was sweating hands that would be no-brainers at .50/1. I don't doubt that I can beat 2/4, but I'll wait until I build my bankroll up to the recommended 300 BB before playing it on a regular basis. If you're worried about losing money, you can't play optimally. Keep reading posts on here and posting hands. I would recommend checking out the micro forum, because based on what you've posted, I just think you have a lot to learn still. Reminds me of myself when I first found this site, so I'm not trying to flame you, just offering an honest recommendation. |
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I don't feel comfortable with JJ or AJo/s, if A,K,Q comes down with the former I have to fold to any bet unless I become a calling station and I can't be confident I have the best Ace with the latter. People will play AK and AQ quietly in these games with $100+ (25+BB)pots. Also a pre-flop raise in this game caused a domino effect whereby it would guarantee every round would be capped and I didn't feel like paying 4 pre-flop bets with JJ due to the fact I was down at this point. You can't seperate emotions from the math. [/ QUOTE ] A couple comments. 1. I didn't feel comfortable raising pf w/ JJ when I first started posting in these forums. Now I do it w/ 99. Why? Because they are good hands (great hands). 2. I didn't start raising AJo pf until about 1 month ago. Now that I do, my win rate for that hand has increase 200%. 3. Playing tight/aggressive is not a comfortable thing for most, nor is a natural ability. It must be learned. 4. If you are staying in a game that is capped pf 100% of the time there is a raise (because of a "domino" effect), then you may want to think about leaving the game. Game selection is a very important skill in hold'em (read PoP). 5. Yes, you can seperate emotions from math. They even have different departments in most colleges for this. |
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I don't even know where to start...
I can't do this, I just can't do it. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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ME: SB [Js Jd] Player 1: Middle 4 limp in to see a flop, I can't drive anyone out so limp. *** FLOP *** [9c 7h 4s] ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [9c 7h 4s] [5c] ME: bets $4 Player 1: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [9c 7h 4s 5c] [Qd] ME: checks Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [8s Qs] (a pair of Queens) ME: [Js Jd] Player 1 collected $27 from pot. I included this hand as it was typical of 2 previous hands I had just played. [/ QUOTE ] Wtf part 1. If you're going to play jacks like this then why not just fold PF? Let's say you DO decide to limp with them for some unfathomable reason. You then hit a dream flop and call, allowing chumpy to catch up? That's weak-tight to an extreme. Hand 2 was just a tough beat. Hand 3 3-bet PF. I like how you played it after that. [ QUOTE ] *********** Hand 4 ************** PokerStars Game #643638640: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players Player 1: UTG ME: Early [As Ac] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 w/ 2 others . 4 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Td Ah 4c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Td Ah 4c] [Jd] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 A caller becomes a bettor and I feel he has KQ for the straight to crack my aces, I guess I have 9 outs to a boat and the other Ace, does 10 outs enable me to re-raise? *** RIVER *** [Td Ah 4c Jd] [7c] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces) ME: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces) ME: collected $36 from pot A few players were coming in with AK and AQ without a raise to trap others, the betting was relentless and pots were reaching $100+ every other hand. I had just had pocket queens cracked and 3 queens beaten before that. Should I have jammed the Turn and River here even if I thought I was behind ? [/ QUOTE ] Wtf part 2. What the hell are you doing here? You limp PF and then just call a raise? And because a guy bets the turn you feel that he made his gut-shot straight?! Let's assume he did, wouldn't he check-raise? Weak-tight again + poor hand-reading skills = missed bets for you. Hand 5 raise PF. Yah I know CO had AQ, but just because he played his hand badly PF doesn't mean you have to. Post-flop you played it fine, don't be so results-oriented. And I agree with arkady, get away from 'Stars and Paradise. |
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I guess I'll take a shot [ QUOTE ] *********** Hand 5 ************** PokerStars Game #643641572: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 8 Players ME: Button [As Js] Player 1: UTG 5 limp in to see the flop. <font color="blue">Raise or fold preflop, probably raise </font> [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Fold AJs on the button to 2-3 limpers?? |
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Naiss, with your bankroll and play, you should be playing the micros. I'm just trying to save you some pain: move down.
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Hand 4. You missed a turn raise--maybe you're tilting from those difficult beats you took. You could also just have reraised on the river.
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One common theme I noticed throughout those hands is that you seem to be playing with the mindset of "How can I play this hand losing the fewest amount of bets?" when your thinking should be the exact opposite.
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"Remember that line from Glengarry Glen Ross?" http://www.uploadyourimages.com/img/681001capping.jpg [/ QUOTE ] Great F***ing movie. |
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be a typical American, take responsibility for your actions. SSH is VERY relevant to on line poker IMHO. |
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Holy crap--I just noticed this:
The worst night I've ever had at Pokerstars, I lost $70 from my $140 buy-in. Is this your entire bankroll? Would you have played any of these 5 hands differently? If $140 is your poker bankroll, then I would have played them like this: [ QUOTE ] PokerStars Game #66666666: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$.50) 10 players [/ QUOTE ] |
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A Always
B Be R Reloading Always be reloading. ALWAYS BE RELOADING! |
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The worst night I've ever had at Pokerstars, I lost $70 from my $140 buy-in. [/ QUOTE ] Boy, are you ever in for a world of hurt when you find out what a real losing session is. Best of luck, Colgin |
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1 (JJ) bet the river
2.(QTS) i'm capping the turn in this situation every single time. You played it well. 4.(AA) raise the turn! 5.(AJs) raise preflop. |
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] ME: SB [Js Jd] Player 1: Middle 4 limp in to see a flop, I can't drive anyone out so limp. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha good reading comprehension. man, Ed is just responsible for all your problems isnt he? |
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[ QUOTE ] I guess I'll take a shot [ QUOTE ] *********** Hand 5 ************** PokerStars Game #643641572: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 8 Players ME: Button [As Js] Player 1: UTG 5 limp in to see the flop. <font color="blue">Raise or fold preflop, probably raise </font> [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Fold AJs on the button to 2-3 limpers?? [/ QUOTE ] Oh [censored], for some reason I thought he was UTG, and I didn't realize they were suited. I think my reading ability, judgement as well as overall sense of well being were all comprimised after reading the first 4 hands of that post. |
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datz ph4t y0.
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Holy crap--I just noticed this: The worst night I've ever had at Pokerstars, I lost $70 from my $140 buy-in. Is this your entire bankroll? Would you have played any of these 5 hands differently? If $140 is your poker bankroll, then I would have played them like this: [ QUOTE ] PokerStars Game #66666666: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$.50) 10 players [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I hope he meant that he sat down with $140. |
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As others have said, go with one hand at a time. You will find the advice you receive to be more plentiful and useful this way.
Hand 1 - JJ is a big hand. You should raise preflop if the pot is unraised. Your purpose is not to drive people out. Your purpose is collect bets from crappy hands (like Q8o) that are way behind you right now. Hand 2 - Some here would disagree, but unless this table was very loose and very passive, I'd consider folding QTs from EP. If very pots were being raised preflop, then the limp is fine. Not a bad board for slowplaying, but I find that most 2/4 players don't believe that a flop bettor has trips on that kind of board, so they will often call or raise, which is great. There is almost no good place to get away from top trips (and never when your sole opponent has only 4 big bets left). Tough luck. Hand 3 - looks fine. This is just a bad beat. Posting these only serves to agitate the people you want to help you. Hand 4 - I know you said that you'd taken a couple of beats prior to this hand, but you've got top set here. Assuming that your opponent has the nuts everytime you have a good hand will lose you a lot of money over the long haul. Ram and jam and ram and jam and ...Raise the turn and cap if opponent 3-bets. If he still bets the river, you can just call, although many here would suggest putting in one more raise. If he only calls the turn raise then bet if checked to on the river and put in one raise if he bets into you again (unless the 4th broadway card hit the river). Hand 5 - You should not have let it go at any point. First of all, raise preflop. You probably have the best hand at this point and you are suited so build a big pot. You also wouldn't mind having your opponents check to the raiser if you miss the flop. Cap the flop. You have no reason to think you're behind - I'd put your opponent on a weak Ace here. If he bets into you again on the turn, you can just call it down. Your opponent happened to have you dominated and flopped two pair to boot. Tough luck, but there is no good place to fold here. |
Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
We are talking 5 hands here for a loss of 17.5BBs...and that is your WORST night ever?
Either you just started playing poker within the 3 days prior to that, or you NEED to go buy a lottery ticket immediately as your "luck" is far superior to the rest of us (well at least certainly me). On a serious note, don't be so short term oriented...5 hands will tell you nothing about your play and a 17.5BB loss isn't a grain of sand in the hourglass of losses even winning poker players experience. Now onto the hands... Hand 1: Raise and 3-bet JJ preflop at all times from any position. You aren't raising to drive anyone out, you are raising because you likely (here almost certainly) have the best hand! The turn brought your opponent umpteen outs and he hit one, that will happen quite a bit, nothing you can do...but raise/bet when you have the best hand (preflop primarily here). Hand 2: Rule #1 Trips aren't as strong as a set Rule #2 Don't slowplay hands until you learn the ABCs of poker. Bet for value when you have a great hand, bet the flop here...why give free cards when just about everyone will pay one bet at this limit to see the next street? You aren't supposed to get away from this hand...just call it down if you get raised. AQ/KQ/QJ are ahead of you, as well as any of the set making pockets. Put yours bets and raises in on earlier streets and slow down on the turn when someone fires back (indicating you are behind). Hand 3: Looks fine...call down. He could indeed have AJ, but a T is more likely as he obviously waited for the bigger street to pop a raise. This is a common play, get used to it...but calling down is best here as you hold an overpair to this board especially considering he has been bluffing frequently. Hand 4: [ QUOTE ] A caller becomes a bettor and I feel he has KQ for the straight to crack my aces, I guess I have 9 outs to a boat and the other Ace, does 10 outs enable me to re-raise? [/ QUOTE ] This is horrible thinking. You have top set here...throw in a raise on the turn or river at the very least. There are two other rules often said here... Rule #3 If you never fold a set, you can't be far off from playing it right Rule #4 If you don't lose alot of money those times you have a set, you likely didn't play it right. With that said, RAISE YOUR FREAKING SET OF ACES! Playing it the way you did in fear of KQ for a turned straight is weak-tight thinking and you will leave alot of money at the table thinking this way...as well as allow others to roll over you when you have better hands or even wind up folding mediocre hands THINKING they have you beat. Hand 5: [ QUOTE ] ME: Button [As Js] Player 1: UTG 5 limp in to see the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Raise preflop with this hand with this number of limpers (or without) 100% of the time. This hand is a bit more difficult, the flop raise was good. The only way you could get away from this hand is if you were to raise the turn or river and got re-raised. I like calling down better, but this is player dependent. What are the chances UTG would limp with A6s/A6o/Axs/Ax vs KQs/KQo (which the river brings two pair for) vs AQs/AQo? What are the chances UTG would bet and 3-bet the flop with something like AT/A9/A8(turned two pair)/A7? Quite a few hands that beat you here...but HU...calling down isn't too bad....especially if UTG is over aggressive or overplays his hands to try to push people off pots or bluffs too much. Very conditional, but there are many signs you are severely behind here...but on the same token, most of those hands are often raised PF. UTG apparently doesn't raise (very passive?) preflop with hands as strong as AQs...unless he was going for a limp re-raise after it becomes multiway (which he didn't get the opportunity for since you did not raise). |
Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
Not comfortable with JJ or AJo?????
I respectfully suggest that poker is not your game. |
Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
17.5BB is my SD/100 hands. It happens a lot.
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