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funny sequence. Greg kinda came off looking like an old prude. But obviously with all of the tv editing, we don't know how long Madisaw(sure I spelled it wrong) was acting like an ass before that.

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No he wasn't. If you're playing and you lose a pot and somebody goes on a rant using profanity towards you would you shake his hand? Matusow told Raymer he had small testicles. That [censored] is uncalled for. I wouldn't have shaken his hand either. Raymer played him like the fool he is.

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Yeah I guess theres two sides to every tail. I saw it as one guy joking around and having fun, then when he realized that he was out of line, he immediately apologized saying, 'Hey you know I'm only joking man, no hard feelings.' Then the other guy holds a grudge and refuses to shake his hand.

As I said in my first post, with tv editing being the way it is, I definitely won't hold it against either player in any way. Thats just how I perceived it. And yeah, since Greg is so popular around here, I expect everyone to see it the way you did as well.

Anyway, not really a big deal. Entertaining tv if you ask me.

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Smh.

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All I know is I wouldn't have shaken Matusow's hand either after hearing that tirade after getting bluffed out of a pot.

To me it seemed a little much to be just joking around.

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I would laugh it off too in Greg's spot....until testicles are mentioned. Over the line Matusow!

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Most people really enjoy it when someone is joking around and having fun while doing their best to make them feel like a complete piece of sh!t in the process. That was seriously low class.

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From Urban dictionary: SMH= Shaking My Head

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While I'm sure Greg was pissed at the time, imagine what would be going on if he had shoke his hand. Everyone would be on his side and calling Madasow a total ass and Greg a total class act for not only taking his abuse but also shaking his hand about it. Wow think about that for five minutes then realize you've got better [censored] to do.

Cody

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From the first time I saw Matasow on TV, I thought he looked like a degenerate piece of sh!t.

Tv appearances since have only served to confirm that initial impression.

I wouldnt give that guy the time of day.

fsuplayer

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From the first time I saw Matasow on TV, I thought he looked like a degenerate piece of sh!t.

Tv appearances since have only served to confirm that initial impression.

I wouldnt give that guy the time of day.

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Matusow is a total jack*ss. I wouldn't shake his hand and I wouldn't be concerned about people thinking I am not a "class act" for not shaking his hand. The way Matusow acts, I'm sure alot of people refuse to shake his hand.

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One thing that Greg and "the mouth" Matasow have in common is that neither of them is concerned about being "a class act."

Greg isn't concerned because he consistently carries himself in such a manner that it is never brought to question.

Mike obviously isn't concerned because he consistently acts in such a manner that shows he holds no value in it.

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man there is joking around and then there is demeaning malicious type acting around. If you fancy yourself anykind of a poker player and can't read the tone Mike was giving off you are not a good poker player.

No one in his right mind would shake his hand after that. His tone and actions was the worst I've seen in televised poker. Now if you see Deeb eventhough he swears ever other word he's a good natured guy, something Mike is not.

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I saw it as one guy joking around and having fun, then when he realized that he was out of line, he immediately apologized saying, 'Hey you know I'm only joking man, no hard feelings.'

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You read it wrong. Matusow was being an a-hole, plain and simple. He was still condescending as he 'apologized.'

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From all I have seen of "the mouth" mike matusow, I would like to punch him square in "the mouth". What a classless fool.

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I wouldn't have shook his hand either. He was an ass, and trying to be an ass. But, seeing Gregg sit there with those glasses on staring at the guy while he goes on his tirade was priceless.

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Without knowing what happens to the mouth...i'm assuming he chernobyl'd soon after and dropped all his chips.

I'm hoping someone will tell me that Greg was the one who took them.

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From the first time I saw Matasow on TV, I thought he looked like a degenerate piece of sh!t.

Tv appearances since have only served to confirm that initial impression.

I wouldnt give that guy the time of day.

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I guess part of the reason I'm not as 'outraged' as most is that I don't have any preconceived ill-will toward him. I've seen him play a few times before, but as I said, I rarely hold tv showings against anyone, so whatever he did before, I didn't hold against him.

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I want to know what he wrote in his book.


was it "Shhhhhhh, I'm counting your chips?"

-AA

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While I'm sure Greg was pissed at the time, imagine what would be going on if he had shoke his hand. Everyone would be on his side and calling Madasow a total ass and Greg a total class act for not only taking his abuse but also shaking his hand about it. Wow think about that for five minutes then realize you've got better [censored] to do.

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I agree with this totally. I'm not defending Mike's behavior, but it would've shown tons of class to shake his hand after that. Personally, I would've shook his hand....but not due to wanting to be classy. I would've shook his hand to show him that hes not getting inside my head at all and that I'm still cool and calm. I think that there is obvious some type of strategy behind Mike's berating other players. And the best way to counterattack it is to just laugh it off and show him that its not affecting you in any way.

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Greg is laughing all the way to the bank on this one.

Matusow is an arrogant jackass and was way out of line there. Perhaps if he directed a little more attention on his game and less on berating the other (classier) players, he'd make a final table once in a while.

I was at the WSOP this year just watching the action, and was around when Matusow took a sick beat (he had AK vs AQ allin, with a 4 flush to boot on the flop, and a Q came on the river for his opponent to cripple him). He started going crazy, but it definitely was a case of the poker gods striking down if I've ever seen one.

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You completely missed what was happening here. Early in the tirade, Matusow screams, "you're not playing with little kids here buddy," as if he's talking to some idiot on the street. He goes on to beat his chest and proclaim his superior manhood, while belittling Greg. He then comes to the rare moment where he realizes what a jackass he's being and takes the opportunity to offer up a condescending and disingenuous apology, while still snickering at Greg with his lacky buddy like they're sharing some private joke at Greg's expense.

Matusow is lucky that Greg is (by all accounts I've been privy to) a complete gentlemen, because more than a few people that frequent poker rooms would've put that idiot on his a** right then and there.

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I think we need to think of the bright side, chaos theory tells us Greg wouldn't have won otherwise.

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Shaking his hand is basically saying "yes, you can insult me and be an ass and I will take it and do nothing." It condones what he just did and would have made Greg look weak. He did the right thing.

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Only the biggest of pussies would have shaken Matesow's hand in that situation (no offense to those earlier in the thread, I doubt you would have done it in real life either.) I doubt I would have thrown down right there, but I definitely would have invited "the mouth" to meet after the event was over. Can't wait to see Raymer bust him out.

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in Mattasow's defense....

sometimes you have to talk it up if you can get into someones head if that person is standing between you and
$5 million.

I get so tired of when others get mad when someone talks junk at the table. If it effects your play or you even allow it to effect you emotionally at the table then that is just another part of the game you have to improve.

You'll see what I mean when you watch WPT when Sunar Surindar wins it. I read in CPM that some guy was talking junk to him all game (tony d. if I'm not mistaken) and Sunar wasn't effected once.

Stop crying about edict and poker edict at the table, if some WCP is sitting at the table and the guy next to me is taunting him all day long laughing and talking garbage, I'll love it especially if it even causes him ONCE to misplay a hand.

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You completely missed what was happening here. Early in the tirade, Matusow screams, "you're not playing with little kids here buddy," as if he's talking to some idiot on the street. He goes on to beat his chest and proclaim his superior manhood, while belittling Greg. He then comes to the rare moment where he realizes what a jackass he's being and takes the opportunity to offer up a condescending and disingenuous apology, while still snickering at Greg with his lacky buddy like they're sharing some private joke at Greg's expense.

Matusow is lucky that Greg is (by all accounts I've been privy to) a complete gentlemen, because more than a few people that frequent poker rooms would've put that idiot on his a** right then and there.

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I can't decide whether to believe you or not because you are clearly biased. You claim that it was a 'rare moment' where he realized he was wrong, but then you say that the apology was disingeniuos. So which is it? Did he truly realize he was out of line or was he just being fake? To me, it looked like an honest apology. Not like a 'hey man I'm so sorry.' But more of a 'Hey buddy, you know I'm just trying to do this to throw you off your game...don't take it personal man.'

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Mike is nicknamed: MOUTH

That is him, always...

LOL!

He's a cool guy other than that.

He likes that nickname btw, I asked him...

-Bri

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in Mattasow's defense....

sometimes you have to talk it up if you can get into someones head if that person is standing between you and
$5 million.

I get so tired of when others get mad when someone talks junk at the table. If it effects your play or you even allow it to effect you emotionally at the table then that is just another part of the game you have to improve.

You'll see what I mean when you watch WPT when Sunar Surindar wins it. I read in CPM that some guy was talking junk to him all game (tony d. if I'm not mistaken) and Sunar wasn't effected once.

Stop crying about edict and poker edict at the table, if some WCP is sitting at the table and the guy next to me is taunting him all day long laughing and talking garbage, I'll love it especially if it even causes him ONCE to misplay a hand.

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Couldn't agree more with this. I have no problems with people doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WITHIN THE RULES during the tourney if they think it'll help them win. I do think that after you are busted or someone else is busted, then you should be classy towards him/her because the battle is over between you two. Although, you could argue that you want to piss them off to plant a seed for the next time you play them.

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I have no problems with people doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WITHIN THE RULES during the tourney if they think it'll help them win.

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Is verbal abuse "within the rules"? Is saying your opponent has small testicles acceptable at the poker table? You're categorizing this sort of behavior as mere gamesmanship? Admittedly I have no idea if the WSOP had any rules regarding this, but I certainly don't think it should be condoned at the tournament that crowns the "world champion."

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I have no problems with people doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WITHIN THE RULES during the tourney if they think it'll help them win.

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Is verbal abuse "within the rules"? Is saying your opponent has small testicles acceptable at the poker table? You're categorizing this sort of behavior as mere gamesmanship? Admittedly I have no idea if the WSOP had any rules regarding this, but I certainly don't think it should be condoned at the tournament that crowns the "world champion."

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I didn't see any WSOP officials take action when he did that, so I'd say no, its not against the rules.

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He likes that nickname btw, I asked him...

-Bri

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WELL CONGRATULATIONS!!!

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No "Rainman" jokes about writing in the little notebook from Chad? I'm amazed.

"Mike was very mean to me. Serious insult, very serious."

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Greg handled it in the best possible way. Anyone who shakes Matusow's hand after that crap is 110% sissy. I hope Greg busted him out of the tournament.

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Matusow was belittling Raymer like a dick. Kudos to Greg for not shaking his hand. All Matusow wanted was for Greg to shake his hand so he wouldn't feel like the chode he is.

Props, Raymer. Of course, winning the Big One was the best slap in Matusow's face you could've given him.

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ACtually Chad said "Raymer is writing in his notebook, seat number 1 is a jerk!"

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I have no problems with people doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WITHIN THE RULES during the tourney if they think it'll help them win.

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Is verbal abuse "within the rules"? Is saying your opponent has small testicles acceptable at the poker table? You're categorizing this sort of behavior as mere gamesmanship? Admittedly I have no idea if the WSOP had any rules regarding this, but I certainly don't think it should be condoned at the tournament that crowns the "world champion."

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I didn't see any WSOP officials take action when he did that, so I'd say no, its not against the rules.

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Cool, so if you're wife girlfriend whatever has a fat-ass, I can say crap to you about it, and you'll be cool with it, cause its not against the rules? Or, you'll let me take any other cheap shot since its not against the poker rules?

At some point you have to live with yourself..

Matusow will have to live with the fact that everyone watching saw him get out of line and act like a donkey.

Greg would have had to live with himself if he shook his hand. He didn't want to, so he didn't.

The funny thing is, Matusow ended up looking like the one without balls, while Greg had all of the balls cause he did what he wanted too and stood up for himself.

Did you ever hear about the hockey player that was pissed about shaking Claude Lemieux's hand after the Stanley Cup playoffs? He was quoted as saying "I can't believe I shook that guys hand!" He was pissed cause Lemieux was cheap shotting his team all playoffs. The guy didn't have the balls to say, "Hey, it ain't cool to do that to my team, that's not the way to win." Instead he pussied out and shook his hand.

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in Mattasow's defense....

sometimes you have to talk it up if you can get into someones head if that person is standing between you and
$5 million.

I get so tired of when others get mad when someone talks junk at the table. If it effects your play or you even allow it to effect you emotionally at the table then that is just another part of the game you have to improve.

You'll see what I mean when you watch WPT when Sunar Surindar wins it. I read in CPM that some guy was talking junk to him all game (tony d. if I'm not mistaken) and Sunar wasn't effected once.

Stop crying about edict and poker edict at the table, if some WCP is sitting at the table and the guy next to me is taunting him all day long laughing and talking garbage, I'll love it especially if it even causes him ONCE to misplay a hand.

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Couldn't agree more with this. I have no problems with people doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WITHIN THE RULES during the tourney if they think it'll help them win. I do think that after you are busted or someone else is busted, then you should be classy towards him/her because the battle is over between you two. Although, you could argue that you want to piss them off to plant a seed for the next time you play them.

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Couldn't agree less with this. IMO, this is actually one of the problems with our society. Too many people would rather win or succeed any way they can, and honor is for losers apparently. Grow up.

To me, this is completely incidental, but I've heard it suggested (I think in a book, can't remember which one) that when an opponent is pissed at you in NL poker, it creates difficulty for you in reading them - did they just go over the top of you because they have a hand, or just because they're pissed at you?