Question for syntax and other Zerorake supporters
 

I know I should be shot for starting another Zerorake thread but I really want some answers here.

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I still want to know where the missing players are. That is a huge concern when looking at the context. The reason given the other day was because they all got free money or something. Did all 50 lose it, and therefore there is only the original 8? That's spooky.

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I want to see your answer to this syntax also. Please come up with a logical explanation if you can. And I do not want to hear "these player are so excited about this new concept that they behave very erratically."

I think this is the most distrubing aspect of the site so far. More distrubing than the possible Dutch Boyd connection. Mike Haven even said the play was similar to Propoker. And we learned from the Propoker bonuses if something sounds too good to be true, well it probably is. Interestingly, Propoker also heavily advertised in cardplayer.

Ironically, becasue of Mike Haven's post, I almost made a deposit to see if I can beat the games, but the mistery players went missing. Oh what time zone is Korea in by the way?

And one more thing. We know rake sucks but the at least it makes it very unlikely that the site will take off with your deposits. Think of it as insurance.

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you're right, you should be shot for starting another zerorake thread.

I've never seen 50 players on so I can't comment on where they all went. The other night I saw 25 playing and 38 or something total. When party has 40K at 8pm and 8K and 3am, noone asks where the 32K players went.

As for the propoker thing, I dunno, I wasnt around for propoker so I cant comment. All I can so is that so far I'm up over $700 at zerorake so far, so if they are cheating me, they arn't doing a very good job of it.

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You guys really are quick to find a mystery when you have no clues. I told you before, I'll tell you again. At the RGP board, the Zerorake dude posted he would give everyone who sat at an Omaha table that night a free 20 bucks. No strings attached. It looks like 50 people took him up on it.

Now you got your clue. Does the mystery continue??

I just won 15 tourney bucks at Zero rake free roll! Woo hoo!!

Re: Question for syntax and other Zerorake supporters
 

OK, so what's your opinion on the safety of the site. As I said party/paradise/stras/prima/UB is not going anywhere with the player deposits when it takes them a few month to make as much from the rake. How long does it take for zerorake? Zerorake's profit is around 20% of the above rooms. So it probably would take over a year to match the player deposits from their profit. Do you think it is less likely or more likely for them to take off with the deposits when things go bad? It's funny you always emphasize how much a serious player can potentially save but never bring up security. As I said it is like insurance, please do not downplay it's importance.

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OK, so what's your opinion on the safety of the site. As I said party/paradise/stras/prima/UB is not going anywhere with the player deposits when it takes them a few month to make as much from the rake. How long does it take for zerorake? Zerorake's profit is around 20% of the above rooms. So it probably would take over a year to match the player deposits from their profit. Do you think it is less likely or more likely for them to take off with the deposits when things go bad? It's funny you always emphasize how much a serious player can potentially save but never bring up security. As I said it is like insurance, please do not downplay it's importance.

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I can't answer your questions with surety. All I know is I deposited 50 took out 100 a few days later. It hit my Neteller account in a few hours.

As far as sights folding and taking your money, well, that's something you have to deal with on your own. I join dozens of new sights and haven't had a problem. I tend to withdraw often to keep my balances low. I don't need to keep a big bankroll at any sight. I usually take so much out of bonuses and promotions from new sights that my small deposits reek much bigger rewards.

So, personally, I think your fears are a little overblown. There are over 300 poker sites operating now. As far as I know, since the beginning of internet poker began, only a handful of sites have folded. And of those, only a couple have refused to pay what was owed to players.

So IMO, I think the risks of depositing at new sites are low and the rewards are potentially high. I think if you live in fear, you will miss many opportunities that are being offered to attract new players.

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When these posts first started up I said zerorake has zero chance of getting off the ground, thats most definately true, but I see no reason why we should say anything negative about the site. We should all say positive things about zerorake. You dont have to deposit no one is forcing anyone to, but it wont hurt you if others do. Sure a few people might get ripped off, but if they dont and the site succeeds it will be good for everying including the people who will never play at zerorake.

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Hey, they are running a promo now where they give you a 5 buck entry into a SnG each day. They put up 20 or so tables and none of them filled completely, most had 3. I joined the one with 6 others thinking it would get off when it hit ten people. But then they started all of them at the same time. I was at the only table with more than 3. All the others had 3. Seems they paid 50 bucks in tourney winnings to each table regardless of size, top 3 got paid. No wonder these people all joined the shorthanded tables! I still got second, but if I had been at a 3 man table I was guanteed a payoff with no risk.

And best of all, it's not paid in tourney bucks like I thought, it was paid in real cash. Very cool! They are running these every night they say, with a free entry for every member. Now, I think that's a pretty good promo.

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Hi CrazyCanuck,

Are you the same CC who's partnered with UB?

The ZeroRake cardroom manager posted the other day at RGP and maybe here but I'm not sure. He gave a rundown of the history and who's behind it all.

Here's an excerpt of the post:
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Who is ZeroRake.com?

ZeroRake.com is solely owned and operated by Action Poker Gaming Inc.
Action Poker Gaming Inc. is a 100% subsidiary of Las Vegas From Home.com
Entertainment Inc., a Canadian publicly listed corporation. Las Vegas From
Home.com Entertainment Inc. is responsible for the liabilities of its
subsidiaries.


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So although I can understand the concern of putting money into a new site, you should feel better knowing the company behind it is not new at all, they've been running other poker sites like Tiger Gaming since 2002. On top of that the subsidiary is owned by a publicly listed Canadian company.

Instyle007

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No I'm not the other crazy. He is KrazyKanuck...I guess there are lots of carzys up here. Anyhow, Choice Poker was publicly listed also so that doesn't guarantee any security. In fact except for TSX, many canadian exchanges are pretty shady becasue they have a low regulatory standards ( please note I'm not implying tho by this statement that zero is crooked becasue it is on a canadian exchange, I'm just saying it isn't any safer than other rooms becasue it is listed on an exchange in a first world country).

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We know rake sucks but the at least it makes it very unlikely that the site will take off with your deposits. Think of it as insurance.

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This is 100% spot on. When charging a rake, there is at least potential for income. When there is no rake and no players, the chance of it being a scam and having the site take all the money becomes a very real danger if the business model fails like it has been.

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the Zerorake dude posted he would give everyone who sat at an Omaha table that night a free 20 bucks. No strings attached. It looks like 50 people took him up on it.



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And then what? They all cashed out their $20 that day and not a single one returned?

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There are over 300 poker sites operating now. As far as I know, since the beginning of internet poker began, only a handful of sites have folded. And of those, only a couple have refused to pay what was owed to players.


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Now you just look foolish, uninformed, or are a huge liar.

Let's stick with Just The Facts. You state there are over 300 poker sites and are using that number as a basis to show that the failed sites make up a tiny percentage so by the numbers it is safe.

I challenge you to list 100 sites here. Maybe you can come close to 60 or 70, but 300?

There are not 300 sites and therefore your arguments have no more credibility. It is time to replace yourself with another alias after this ridiculous statement.

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Hey, they are running a promo now where they give you a 5 buck entry into a SnG each day. They put up 20 or so tables and none of them filled completely, most had 3. I joined the one with 6 others thinking it would get off when it hit ten people. But then they started all of them at the same time. I was at the only table with more than 3. All the others had 3. Seems they paid 50 bucks in tourney winnings to each table regardless of size, top 3 got paid. No wonder these people all joined the shorthanded tables! I still got second, but if I had been at a 3 man table I was guanteed a payoff with no risk.

And best of all, it's not paid in tourney bucks like I thought, it was paid in real cash. Very cool! They are running these every night they say, with a free entry for every member. Now, I think that's a pretty good promo.

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Are you going to announce every time the site does a promo that gets $5 to the player?

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I want to see your answer to this syntax also

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No, you dont. Canuck, I am not involved with zerorake in any way shape or form. Your guess is as good as mine.
Ive never seen more then 18 people on the site so I can't even tell you that there really were 50 players and now they are "missing". This isn't the X-files though, so I'm sure theres a rational explanation, I think Synergistic made it pretty clear.

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And one more thing. We know rake sucks but the at least it makes it very unlikely that the site will take off with your deposits. Think of it as insurance.

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Look, I don't talk to that biitch MS Sunshine anymore, but why don't you ask him how much rake he paid at Pokerspot before allegedly losing $54,000 when the site closed its doors and kept his money.

I doubt that the site is set up for a scam. It seems they are spending a lot on advertising so far(sending an installation CD bagged with the new issue of Cardplayer to subscribers) and 14k in freerolls the next two weeks

You can check out this press release on yahoo

Anyway, I can't and won't tell you the site is 100% trustworthy, you'll have to decide that for yourself.

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I've been playing sporadically on ZeroRake.com for about a week (saved about $19 in rake so far with my high stakes action) and I happened to catch part of the 58 player night.

All the action was in Omaha, which I thought was wierd, but on a new site you have to take what you can get as far as live tables. I played for about 20 minutes, got a popup saying I got $20 for playing, and then the table broke up with me up about $5 not counting the $20.

I didn't find out until reading here the next day about the RGP offer, but it explained a lot about the "large" number of players and the Omaha action.

The last two nights have featured fairly full (6-8 player) holdem games at the $1/2 level for a couple hours during prime time. Not exactly hot action, but soft enough to be worth it if you're interested in promoting rake free play, which I am.

Martin

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You guys really are quick to find a mystery when you have no clues. I told you before, I'll tell you again. At the RGP board, the Zerorake dude posted he would give everyone who sat at an Omaha table that night a free 20 bucks. No strings attached. It looks like 50 people took him up on it.



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I am not doubting that this offer happened, but i can't find it in all of my searches.

Can you please provide the link from the other day where the zero rake offer of free money was made? It will help your credibility if you can show us that the post even existed.

Thanks

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the Zerorake dude posted he would give everyone who sat at an Omaha table that night a free 20 bucks. No strings attached. It looks like 50 people took him up on it.



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And then what? They all cashed out their $20 that day and not a single one returned?

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How would you know if a single one didnt return or not? do you sit at zero rake 24/7 with a list of names and check them off as they come and go? So when you get $20 at a site you sit there and play 24/7? lol, come on, this is just retarded.

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the Zerorake dude posted he would give everyone who sat at an Omaha table that night a free 20 bucks. No strings attached. It looks like 50 people took him up on it.



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And then what? They all cashed out their $20 that day and not a single one returned?

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How would you know if a single one didnt return or not? this is just retarded.

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I did not know, hence my question mark after the question in the original post you are quoting. Whether those players returned or not, i have no idea. However, I check the site many many times a day and there has never been 50 players since. Now who is retarded?

Also, your post count here has kept you off the attack the shill list, but most know better. How are you involved there? Please don't insult us by claiming you are only a player.

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How would you know if a single one didnt return or not? this is just retarded.

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Now who is retarded?


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neet, thanks for rearanging what I said. I was saying this whole argument is retarded, not you. I'm sure you knew that tho, but being the troll you are you just want to cause conflict. I'll make it easier for you next time tho, because now I am calling YOU retarded.



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Also, your post count here has kept you off the attack the shill list, but most know better. How are you involved there? Please don't insult us by claiming you are only a player.

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And your post count and the fact that 90% of them are involved with trolling zerorake threads shows were your agenda lies.

and you are right, I'm not a player....I'm rick james bitch!!!!

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i'm sorry i mentioned the propoker thing - it was written only because mr sunshine mentioned korean investors just after i felt something was wrong in the one particular game i was in - i'm quite likely to have been wrong - the easiest way to check is to put a nominal $50 or $100 in and try the site for yourself

however, the more i think about it, the fact that they show all players' downcards in their hand histories (no doubt this will be changed, now) is perhaps the most worrying thing of all

what sort of poker management team could make such an incredible, fundamental mistake as this?

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i realise that the team could be good in terms of running a business, but by this i mean what faith could you have in them, for example, spotting collusion when they apparently don't know basic poker rules let alone strategy

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You guys really are quick to find a mystery when you have no clues. I told you before, I'll tell you again. At the RGP board, the Zerorake dude posted he would give everyone who sat at an Omaha table that night a free 20 bucks. No strings attached. It looks like 50 people took him up on it.



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I am not doubting that this offer happened, but i can't find it in all of my searches.

Can you please provide the link from the other day where the zero rake offer of free money was made? It will help your credibility if you can show us that the post even existed.

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I dont know how to do links, but heres a copy of it from RGP.

From: ZeroRake.com Cardroom Manager (manager@actionpoker.com)
Subject: Re: Again, ZeroRake (Let me sweeten the pot! free $20)
View: Complete Thread (3 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Date: 2004-07-13 15:57:29 PST

I love you ALL!

I think this is FANTASTIC idea! Let me sweeten the pot. EVERYBODY who
shows at the Omaha table at 10 PM Eastern Time TONIGHT July 13, 2004 will
get $20.

I will make sure each player who plays tonight get $20 dropped into their
account. No strings attached, all I ask is that you enjoy yourself and
play some poker.

See you all at 10 PM Eastern. If this works, I will do it again!

Spread the word,

Mark Sherwood
Cardroom Manager

Re: Question for syntax and other Zerorake supporters
 

Alobar, Syntax, Synergistic Explosions all have a piece of zerorake. They are shills - how many posts they have and when they registered doesn't matter now - all you have to do is read their posts over the last month.

Orange

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There are over 300 poker sites operating now. As far as I know, since the beginning of internet poker began, only a handful of sites have folded. And of those, only a couple have refused to pay what was owed to players.


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Now you just look foolish, uninformed, or are a huge liar.

Let's stick with Just The Facts. You state there are over 300 poker sites and are using that number as a basis to show that the failed sites make up a tiny percentage so by the numbers it is safe.

I challenge you to list 100 sites here. Maybe you can come close to 60 or 70, but 300?

There are not 300 sites and therefore your arguments have no more credibility. It is time to replace yourself with another alias after this ridiculous statement.

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http://action.pokerpulse.com/rooms.htm

The above link lists 212 and they don't even list them all. So I guess you look rediculous now bucko! ROTFLMOL

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Alobar, Syntax, Synergistic Explosions all have a piece of zerorake. They are shills - how many posts they have and when they registered doesn't matter now - all you have to do is read their posts over the last month.

Orange

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And you are a liar or just afraid of what might be. So are you another panicked affilliate worried about their income stream?

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And you are a liar or just afraid of what might be. So are you another panicked affilliate worried about their income stream?

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LOL. This is the same way every ZeroRake shill responds. It must be in the handbook.

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And you are a liar or just afraid of what might be. So are you another panicked affilliate worried about their income stream?

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LOL. This is the same way every ZeroRake shill responds. It must be in the handbook.

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Well I know you are an idiot, since you call me a shill. So why do you all call anyone who posts positively about not paying rakes a shill? Is that in the poker affiliates newsletter this week? ROTFLMOL

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The above link lists 212 and they don't even list them all. So I guess you look rediculous now bucko! ROTFLMOL

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How many of the 70 Apex Poker rooms are live? How many of the 60 from the ARC network are live? How many of the 15 from Tiger Gaming are live? Do you understand the difference between a poker room and a prop entrance or a reserved skin that is not live?

You are a moron my friend. List the live action poker rooms that currently take deposits and have a player base.

Put your tail back between your legs and crawl back to your 6 handed game. Keep your eye on that rake meter, I bet you are getting rich. Although I suspect that it is not about those pennies, but about fleecing everyone of their deposits when the base is up.

212 does not equal 300. Real rooms do not even come close to 212. Anyway, I suspect it will be 211 listed soon after you have zero players at zero rake.

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Yes sir, anyone who is sick and tired of hundreds of zerorake posts on 2+2 and RGP, from people whose entire post count consists of nothing but obnoxious ZeroRake advocating, must be an affiliate. Tell me more, Holmes.

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The above link lists 212 and they don't even list them all. So I guess you look rediculous now bucko! ROTFLMOL

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How many of the 70 Apex Poker rooms are live? How many of the 60 from the ARC network are live? How many of the 15 from Tiger Gaming are live? Do you understand the difference between a poker room and a prop entrance or a reserved skin that is not live?

You are a moron my friend. List the live action poker rooms that currently take deposits and have a player base.

Put your tail back between your legs and crawl back to your 6 handed game. Keep your eye on that rake meter, I bet you are getting rich. Although I suspect that it is not about those pennies, but about fleecing everyone of their deposits when the base is up.

212 does not equal 300. Real rooms do not even come close to 212. Anyway, I suspect it will be 211 listed soon after you have zero players at zero rake.

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I cant help it if you dont want to face the facts. Just shows everyone how foolish you are trying to argue an invalid point when proven wrong.

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Yes sir, anyone who is sick and tired of hundreds of zerorake posts on 2+2 and RGP, from people whose entire post count consists of nothing but obnoxious ZeroRake advocating, must be an affiliate. Tell me more, Holmes.

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Its the way that you attack every poster who likes the idea of not paying rakes is what gave you away. Every single poster too.

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Do you understand the difference between a poker room and a prop entrance or a reserved skin that is not live?

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Here's a brief explanation how network sites like Prima Poker, Action Poker Network & Apex Poker Network function?

Each and every door into door into the network is a new poker room. Each one can be owned by a completley different group. So in reality each one is a business on it's own, even though they feed into the same network. One can shut down without effecting the others.

On a different note, I just think it's soo funny how anyone could ever say anything negative about a site that 1) Charges no rake and 2) Sends cashouts like lighting?

Affiliates of the big 5, are starting to see their days numbered.

Instyle007

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Choice Poker was a brand new room, Zero Rake is owned by a company in the business since 2002. There's really no comparing the two.

Instyle007

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This is 100% spot on. When charging a rake, there is at least potential for income. When there is no rake and no players, the chance of it being a scam and having the site take all the money becomes a very real danger if the business model fails like it has been.

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How could you even think this? All the poker sites that went out of business up to today, were they raked or no rake models?

Does no one read posts here, or better yet visit the site's about us page? The freaking site is owned by a company in business since 2002. They are not newcomers.

I should really be getting paid for all this cheerleading I'm doing for Zero for free, but it's for the love of the game. Zero people are you reading this?

Instyle007

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12 Posts all shilling tiger gaming and/or ZeroRake.....STFU SHILL. Check it out for yourself.

Orange

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Don't forget Pacific Poker... you idiot.

Instyle007