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58 playing 68 watching 12 tables active 16:00 EST

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I got all my aliases on this forum to sign on to zerorake at once... its seems like our intitial attempts to spam this board are failing, forcing us to shift gears, to what we call in the industry, Plan B.

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Plan B=Korean investors?

MS Sunshine

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What limits do they have going?

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People playing 1 and 7 viewing at 8:40 EST

1 person sitting ata micro limit game is all..

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Time to do something I'd think...free month?

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Eight playing, but do you count the person sitting alone at a play money table?

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It's interesting that you mention Korean investors.

I admit it seems silly to say, but this is the first site I've played on which has given me the exact inner feeling I used to get when playing at Propoker, (although if you ever played at Propoker you will know what I mean).

And the odd (Korean?) thing for such a new and forward-thinking site is to have hand histories that show everyone's downcards!

I haven't worked out how to get hand histories e-mailed to me yet, (in fact, I don't think you can), so I can't give hard copy evidence that gives substance to my gut feelings, but I did copy this one hand, which seemed odd at the time, though perhaps even it has to be experienced in conjunction with the playing styles of the participants to get the deep memory taste it, and others, gave me:

2004-07-14 hh:mm:22.707 POST SMALL BLIND D ($0.50)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:23.33 POST BIG BLIND C ($1.00)

2004-07-14 hh:mm:25.537 GETCARDS A $0.00 A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2004-07-14 hh:mm:25.55 GETCARDS B $0.00 K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2004-07-14 hh:mm:25.567 GETCARDS C $0.00 J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2004-07-14 hh:mm:25.567 GETCARDS D $0.00 K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2004-07-14 hh:mm:25.583 GETCARDS E $0.00 A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

2004-07-14 hh:mm:32.3 CALL B (K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) ($1.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:35.13 FOLD A (A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) $0.00
2004-07-14 hh:mm:36.35 RAISE E (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) ($2.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:38.817 RAISE D (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($2.50)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:51.05 CALL C (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($2.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:51.85 FOLD (K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) B $0.00
2004-07-14 hh:mm:57.647 CALL E (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) ($1.00)

POT $10.00

2004-07-14 hh:mm:57.973 GETCARDS $0.00 ... 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

2004-07-14 hh:mm:02.317 CHECK D (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) $0.00
2004-07-14 hh:mm:12.363 CHECK C (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) $0.00
2004-07-14 hh:mm:14.16 BET E (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) ($1.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:16.003 CALL D (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($1.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:26.177 CALL C (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($1.00)

POT $13.00

2004-07-14 hh:mm:26.49 GETCARDS $0.00 ... (4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

2004-07-14 hh:mm:30.1 CHECK D (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) $0.00
2004-07-14 hh:mm:46.567 BET C (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($2.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:48.723 CALL E (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) ($2.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:50.27 RAISE D (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($4.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:05.613 CALL C (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($2.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:06.317 CALL E (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) ($2.00)

POT $25.00

2004-07-14 hh:mm:06.643 GETCARDS $0.00 ... (4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2004-07-14 hh:mm:10.8 BET D (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($2.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:28.097 FOLD C (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) $0.00
2004-07-14 hh:mm:29.393 FOLD E (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) $0.00

2004-07-14 hh:mm:30.207 WIN D $25.00

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2004-07-14 hh:mm:06.643 GETCARDS $0.00 ... (4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2004-07-14 hh:mm:10.8 BET D (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) ($2.00)
2004-07-14 hh:mm:28.097 FOLD C (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) $0.00
2004-07-14 hh:mm:29.393 FOLD E (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) $0.00

2004-07-14 hh:mm:30.207 WIN D $25.00

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A probable brick on the river and Player C folds TP, decent kicker for one bet? Very strange.

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Yes. I don't think many of us could turn down a call at that stage for 13.5 to 1. (Of course, Propoker players made similar inspired laydowns all the time, so maybe I'm wrong.)

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Free month *and* wave the withdrawal fees for a month.

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Yes. I don't think many of us could turn down a call at that stage for 13.5 to 1. (Of course, Propoker players made similar inspired laydowns all the time, so maybe I'm wrong.)

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Maybe this entire site has nothing to do with reducing rake and everything to do with cheating all the players who join. Sure is food for thought. That would explain their seeming desperation to get as many players as possible. Are there 70 people playing again there today?

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there's one five-handed $2-$4 and three players sitting alone at other tables, at this moment

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8 playing.

I guess that's up from the zero that were playing last night.

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Yes. I don't think many of us could turn down a call at that stage for 13.5 to 1. (Of course, Propoker players made similar inspired laydowns all the time, so maybe I'm wrong.)

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I'm fairly new to the online thing. Can you explain this propoker situation to me?

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8 playing.

I guess that's up from the zero that were playing last night.

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They went from 58 yesterday afternoon to 8 this afternoon? Wow, this certainly does smell exactly like the Korean Investor scam. If this site were similar to Pro Poker, it would explain much of the tactics. I would really like to know how they had 58 players yesterday, and back to the original 8 today. Who were the 50 missing players, and where did they go?

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8 playing.

I guess that's up from the zero that were playing last night.

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They went from 58 yesterday afternoon to 8 this afternoon? Wow, this certainly does smell exactly like the Korean Investor scam. If this site were similar to Pro Poker, it would explain much of the tactics. I would really like to know how they had 58 players yesterday, and back to the original 8 today. Who were the 50 missing players, and where did they go?

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Why are you so intent on destroying this site before it gets on the ground???? I saw on a RGP thread that the site offered everyone a 20 buck bonus for sitting at an Omaha game that day. More than anything, thats what brought the influx of people I'm sure.

But really, why are you so against a site that is offering us a chance to save thousands in rake? What's your agenda?

The site would have done much better if they hadn't allowed that Segor fool to run his mouth at the tables in the beginning. That ran away several playing customers, me included.

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Dude. So I signed up an account there, to check out the software and everything. And there were ZERO players playing at ZEROrake.com. This is a problem. Why aren't you there buddy? Let's play some heads up!

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Dude. So I signed up an account there, to check out the software and everything. And there were ZERO players playing at ZEROrake.com. This is a problem. Why aren't you there buddy? Let's play some heads up!

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Sure, what time?

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But really, why are you so against a site that is offering us a chance to save thousands in rake? What's your agenda?

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The "agenda" of most people is nothing more than wanting to see all the loudmouths who wouldn't shut up about this site get proven wrong.

Is that contrary to self-interest? Sure, but so is alienating a bunch of people who probably would have been happy to try a site if its supporters hadn't been so annoying. That's just the way it goes.

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This is the second stupidest thing I heard today.

First of all, how can you hold something against someone they have no control over. Unless of course, you believe that Zerorake is actually behind all these posts. It is important to note that the manager has posted on three other forums I know of(check out the forums on bonuswhores for example)and this forum is the only one being "attacked" It is also the only forum with a large number of trolls and attacks by Gregorio types etc. Whats the stranger coincidence?

Second, your argument lacks any conviction. You would play at zerorake in an instant if they ever get a large volume of players. You are a hypocrit if your agenda is to see the site fail, yet play there if it becomes big.

As one of the "loudmouths" I personally could care less whether zerorake succeds or not. I am 100% behind thier business model, my interest in that site goes no further.

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Old thread about the now defunct Propoker.

There were two sites, Propoker and SunrisePoker, which posters were as certain as it is possible to be that were purely and simply ripping off the odd punters that strayed their way. There were rumours of "Korean investors", bots, Management, you name it, with access to knowledge of all downcards, or, at least, playing in organised teams against you. I can't remember that anyone ever claimed to have won any money at either site, even though Propoker gave huge bonuses, (101%), to lure in the punters. If you had a good hand, all nine opponents would fold. If you tried to bluff, you were called. It literally gave you a stomach-ache while you tried to play enough hands to clear a bonus without losing both the bonus and your deposit. I think Sunrise might still exist. If it does, watch the $20-$40 game for five minutes and you will see absolutely ludicrous play, which is presumably designed to tempt you in to make your fortune.

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Jesus, this is supposed to be the INTERNET GAMBLING board. Where else do we talk about INTERNET GAMBLING SITES? You think its odd that people would talk about a rake free site during the first week it opens?

Are you on crack or just regular affiliate dope?

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Step into the real world for a minute. If my phone were to ring every 5 minutes with people yelling "Vote for Kerry!" "Kerry is the best!" and the like, I might very well decide not to vote for Kerry. I don't really care if these people are paid Kerry employees, or if they're just overenthusiastic supporters, it's human nature that when someone you perceive as an [censored] is telling you to do something, you may do the opposite just to spite them.

As for the second point, I don't get it at all. The original question was, why are people making fun of this site, why isn't everybody in favor of it since it's such a great concept. I think I answered that. Whether I would play at zerorake in some hypothetical scenario where it's the last poker site on earth is pretty irrelevant.

I understand you want to see their business model succeed. What you seem unwilling to acknowledge, but is true nonetheless, is that your own parade of posts regarding this topic were totally counterproductive in that regard.

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Hahaha, so do you really really think that a site either makes it or busts out depending on the perception of readers of this board??

Funniest thing I ever heard!!

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Dude, 2+2 is a POKER forum. This is where people who are interested in INTERNET GAMBLING discuss such matters. There has been NO spam on this board for Zerorake as far as I know, only LOTS of talk.

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Step into the real world for a minute. If my phone were to ring every 5 minutes with people yelling "Vote for Kerry!" "Kerry is the best!" and the like, I might very well decide not to vote for Kerry.

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You can choose to participate in those discussions or skip them. NO ONE is soliciting $hit from you. I doubt anyone from zerorake has called your house or knocked on your door or inturrepted your dinner.

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What you seem unwilling to acknowledge, but is true nonetheless, is that your own parade of posts regarding this topic were totally counterproductive in that regard.

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Ridiculous for three reasons:
1) Not everyone thinks the way you do. Many people are capable of making up thier own minds, and not be persuaded by talk, positive or negative. Or some random idiot spouting his beliefs from the rooftops of the internet forum.
2) The number of people reading this forum is probably less then 2% of the internet poker playing population. Im sure zerorake is not very concerned by your opinion, especially knowing you will still play there if they get enough traffic.
3)You say I have been counterproductive? That is giving way to much credit to just some jackass siting on his laptop in gainesville florida. If you have given me the power to influence your decisions then you are a sucker in every sense of the word.

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There's another site that just went live and has been discussed a lot this week, that being fulltiltpoker.com. There have been some interesting discussions about the pros who play there, the lack of a deposit bonus as yet, and other topics along these lines. Despite your belief that this board is full of nothing but Party/Empire affiliates who can't bear the thought of another site succeeding and taking money out of their pocket, there hasn't been any rash of posts ragging on fulltilt and making fun of it, at least not that I've seen.

The difference, as I see it, is that the people who like fulltiltpoker and want it to succeed haven't been behaving like combative twats on this message board.

Personally, I wouldn't even know how to become an affiliate, so you can aim your ad hominem attacks elsewhere. I'm just pointing out what should be self-evident, that acting like an ass while talking up a site is not the best way to win friends, or support for that site.

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Hahaha, so do you really really think that a site either makes it or busts out depending on the perception of readers of this board??

Funniest thing I ever heard!!

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The question was not "why are there only 8 people at zerorake right now?" The question was "why do people keep making fun of that fact, when we should all want the site to succeed?"

My answer was that people are making fun of zerorake's lack of population to throw it back in the faces of those who have behaved like jerks in their urge to talk up zerorake. I stand by that answer.

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There's another site that just went live and has been discussed a lot this week, that being fulltiltpoker.com.

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Yep, I started the thread went they went live. Was that counterproductive?

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there hasn't been any rash of posts ragging on fulltilt and making fun of it, at least not that I've seen

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Look again. There are plenty of critisms of the site. Basically, they are just another site with no differnt then UB or Stars. You've been able to play against "name pros" on those sites for years. What is so special about Full Tilt that you think it should make as many waves in the discussion department as a no rake site which could save many players here tens of thousands a year?

And by the way, have you checked out RGP in the last month or two. Every other post has something to do with Full Tilt. I think they have also created a rec.gambling.poker.fulltilt

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Hahaha, so do you really really think that a site either makes it or busts out depending on the perception of readers of this board??

Funniest thing I ever heard!!

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The question was not "why are there only 8 people at zerorake right now?" The question was "why do people keep making fun of that fact, when we should all want the site to succeed?"

My answer was that people are making fun of zerorake's lack of population to throw it back in the faces of those who have behaved like jerks in their urge to talk up zerorake. I stand by that answer.

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Well, gee bucko, I'm sorry for posting in a thread about a rake less sight. I'm sorry for thinking it's a great idea. I'm sorry for hoping I might be able to save ten grand next year if it succeeds. Please forgive me for posting on the internet gambling board about a new gambling site that I thought was groundbreaking on the issue of the future of rakes.

None of these reasons warrant a post on the internet gambling board here. I should have gone to matchmakers.com instead.

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There's another site that just went live and has been discussed a lot this week, that being fulltiltpoker.com. There have been some interesting discussions about the pros who play there, the lack of a deposit bonus as yet, and other topics along these lines. Despite your belief that this board is full of nothing but Party/Empire affiliates who can't bear the thought of another site succeeding and taking money out of their pocket, there hasn't been any rash of posts ragging on fulltilt and making fun of it, at least not that I've seen.

The difference, as I see it, is that the people who like fulltiltpoker and want it to succeed haven't been behaving like combative twats on this message board.

Personally, I wouldn't even know how to become an affiliate, so you can aim your ad hominem attacks elsewhere. I'm just pointing out what should be self-evident, that acting like an ass while talking up a site is not the best way to win friends, or support for that site.

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This is an excellent post for many reasons. Most importantly, it illustrates the difference between the launch of two new sites. Full Tilt has the most impressive lineup of celebrity endorsers that internet poker has ever seen, yet the threads have been normal in their frequency and content.

Zero Rake has Zero players and a dubious ownership trail, yet elicited a hundreds threads and hundreds of responses from posters that have never been seen again. For Zero Rake to claim that spamming the forums was not part of the marketing plan is a major lie. The interest in Full Tilt should have created exponentially more posts and responses, but instead it got fractional amounts.

Several posters have claimed they would have played Zero Rake if the spam machine had not insulted them with the frequency of new threads. In that sense, the people who were discharged to promote this site are actually the ones to blame for the opening failures and likely long-term failure. Whether it is a crooked site or not (ala Pro Poker) is yet to be determined. What is alreay decided is that this was the worst marketing launch idea in the history of Internet Poker.

Lastly, the comments regarding the owners of Zero rake not caring because 2+2 is visited only by 2% of the real money players is laughable. The actual percent is much lower. Also, believe it or not, the spam placed here paled in comparison to the spam at rec.poker. Acting like this is the only place the site was spammed to the ground is another insult to our intelligence.

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It's not the topic of your posts, it's the nasty and confrontational tone you repeatedly take. A point you've been reinforcing in this thread for quite some time btw.

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Wrong. There has been at least 100x more "spam" for Full Tilt on RGP then zerorake.

There really is nothing exciting about Full Tilt. You could play against Hellmuth, Devilfish, Duke, Esfandiari for years now. I've seen Ivey, Flack etc on Stars. The software is close to Jetset Poker's. The rake is capped the same as anyone else's in the top 4. At least with UB they have Aruba, and Party has the PP Million. What does Full Tilt have right now?

I think that Full Tilt will be succesful but I don't see any reason why you think it would garner so much hype on this board. Recreational fanboys will be ecstatic about this launch, that probably explains RGP...

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Wrong. There has been at least 100x more "spam" for Full Tilt on RGP then zerorake.

There really is nothing exciting about Full Tilt. You could play against Hellmuth, Devilfish, Duke, Esfandiari for years now. I've seen Ivey, Flack etc on Stars. The software is close to Jetset Poker's. The rake is capped the same as anyone else's in the top 4. At least with UB they have Aruba, and Party has the PP Million. What does Full Tilt have right now?

I think that Full Tilt will be succesful but I don't see any reason why you think it would garner so much hype on this board. Recreational fanboys will be ecstatic about this launch, that probably explains RGP...

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Thanks for making my point for me. Zero Rake did not garner any hype on this board either. All it garnered was a bunch of shills and/or investors creating an illusion of hype that never existed beyond the second thread. Yes, it was interesting until thread number 3, after that it was a joke thanks to the shills.

Full Tilt did not get the same discussion here because they did not assign people to slam the boards. We do agree that Full Tilt will not be anything special, but will probably be profitable.

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Thanks for making my point for me. Zero Rake did not garner any hype on this board either

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Have you gone retarted? The rake free concept caused big waves on this board. No one really cared much about "zerorake" it was a huge debate on rakes. Even Ray Zee made the rare comment. There has been no SPAM for Zerorake on this board. Its a new concept that caused a huge discussion on a poker forum. Jeez, half the time zerorake was mentioned, it was called rake free.

Honestly, it is the most simplistic, one dimensional thought proccess to think, "all these posts about zerorake, well they must be from zerorake". My dog can analyze a situation better then that.

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There has been no SPAM for Zerorake on this board.

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Thank you for giving me the grin of the decade. I have bookmarked this post for eternal posterity.

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Point to one post that is pure spam. Thats a challenge.

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Point to one post that is pure spam. Thats a challenge.

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I've agreed with pretty much everything you've said in this thread so far syntax. Fulltilt has garnered the "placid" threads it has because its just another boring site. Zerorake was something different and thast what caused all the excitement, but your still going to lose that challenge, there was lots of spam (which was due I believe to the excitment of a rake free site).

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Perhaps we should agree on what "spam" is.

From Webopedia:
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Electronic junk mail or junk newsgroup postings. Some people define spam even more generally as any unsolicited e-mail. However, if a long-lost brother finds your e-mail address and sends you a message, this could hardly be called spam, even though it's unsolicited. Real spam is generally e-mail advertising for some product sent to a mailing list or newsgroup.

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** I think forum or discussion board could be easily substitued for "email" in the definition.

This is an example of spam. I had to take it from RGP because spam here is generally wiped out quickly.

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anyone interested in a great bonus on paciifc poker if you deposit $20 you
will recieve $50.00. There are no raked hands req'd on this bonus.

to recieve the bonus goto www.888.com/*** then type in the code ******

downlaod the softare open a new account and after u make your first deposit
you will be credited the bonus right away.

any questions goto www.****************

or email me ******@****.***

thanx


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This is a forum for the discussion of ideas. There has been a lot of talk, but I don't think there has been a single person promote the site that is compenstated for it. If some overzealous fan says to play there because they really like it, it is not SPAM. If some jackass troll screws around and creates a new profile to say "zerorake" just to agitate people, it is not SPAM.

I have not seen one instance where zerorake (a paid advertisor on this site) had spammed this board.

I could have missed it, so prove me wrong.

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true, by that definition you are correct.

But I think you can also define spam as a whole serious of meaningless posts on the same subject. It would be like if I started 50 threads talking about how great lance armstrong is. Everyone would say "Quit spamming the boards with all this lance armstrong crap!!!!". So by that definition there was definately zerorake spam.