When do I make a stand?
 

This guy raises me EVERY time it gets folded around to him and bets the flop and turn every time also. What am I to do?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

I fold preflop to be honest, wait another time to bust him and. Do you know how often he will go to showdown? Makes it a lot easier to know if you can bet the flop he folds, you can c/r he folds.

I would be more inclined to play hands like 67os than Q4os.

I think you have a lot more chance to flop a draw and play aggressive hoping that you have fold equity. IF he is loose as a goose then maybe wait for better hands and only value bet them.

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Re: When do I make a stand?
 

It's clear that he is probably stealing most times here but Q4o shouldn't be where you make your stand. I agree to wait for a better launching off point.

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

I see no problem defending with junk if you're sure that the other guy will raise with junk everytime.

You went with the ultra strong defense play. There's nothing wrong with it, but it may not be necessary.

I see no reason to bet the river. 1)He could cr you and you'd feel like you have to call, though you shouldn't 2) You want to see what he has 3)your turn raise represents a 9 or straight and he could easily have a 5 or 6.

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I see no problem defending with junk if you're sure that the other guy will raise with junk everytime.

You went with the ultra strong defense play. There's nothing wrong with it, but it may not be necessary.

I see no reason to bet the river. 1)He could cr you and you'd feel like you have to call, though you shouldn't 2) You want to see what he has 3)your turn raise represents a 9 or straight and he could easily have a 5 or 6.

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I really agree with this, I thought your gonna get called by a lot of better hands a lot of the time and most of the time your opponent would have folded on the turn, or is going to fold the river when you beat them. I wouldn't have played this pf but I am semi-tight.

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Re: When do I make a stand?
 

What are you to do?

You are to realize that this guy has gotten to you. So much so that you're playing an abysmal hand. I've seen the big dogs playing 300/600 heads up on UB fold this face up.

Then you go on to play in such an odd way.

The flop call and turn raise screams "I'm sick of you man," and I think it's transparent - which is why you should wait for a better spot to run this line. Take your stand when it looks like you're just taking a stand, only have a hand (hopefully one that wins and also is marginal enough to back him off).

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

dont fold pf, youre getting 6-1 w/ implied odds

if this guy is betting every turn, raise the flop instead of the turn. he folds the same hands to a turn raise that he folds to your flop raise/turn follow up, but the latter is cheaper

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even if you dont fold the flop, I would let it go on the turn because there is no reason to go to war with this hand and this guy will probably call down with any piece of the board and maybe even ace high.

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

I have to say this is a rockin hand post--good elements! I think because I'm caffeinated though. If this guy has been doing this a lot, this is probably not the best hand with which to take a stand. A flop raise might be worth a free river card. I would rather just call to the river and showdown, but my preference is to wait for a better hand. Another (better?) option with this hand is to 3-bet pre-flop and then bet the flop. There you will have some good fold equity post-flop. To continue my rambling, it's probably best to show this guy a good hand, and then you will be able to stand up to him in the future better.

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

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This guy raises me EVERY time it gets folded around to him and bets the flop and turn every time also. What am I to do?
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

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Call him down with your good hands and see what he has.

And fold this hand preflop or at least on the turn.

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

If I know he is stealing with junk than I don't mind the call up until the turn. This is where it's getting expensive and you still have Q high with a gutshot.

Can't remember which book it was (Harrington? or possibly Skalansky) but he talks about how a blind steal only needs to work 50% of the time preflop or on the flop to be profitable and the only defensive is to call the stealer (or leave the table). If you wait only for good hands you are losing money.

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The flop call and turn raise screams "I'm sick of you man," and I think it's transparent

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C'mon man - that's results-oriented garbage. I guarantee you if villian posted the hand from his persective against an opponent who he perceived to be weak and you didn't know hero's cards, it would not be so "transparent".

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The flop call and turn raise screams "I'm sick of you man," and I think it's transparent

[/ QUOTE ] that's results-oriented. If villian posted the hand from his persective against an opponent who he perceived to be weak and you didn't know hero's cards, it would not be so transparent.

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Villian will see Hero's hand at showdown.

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

If he does this to you literally every time from the SB, you should consider 3-betting PF. Your queen may have high card showdown value. I don't mind calling with this sort of hand as long as you've played enough hands with villain to know he doesn't simply do this with the top 20 % of his hands.

On the flop, your high card may be good and you have a gutshot. This clearly calls for a raise. If you can't raise the flop, you need to fold. If he 3-bets you then it's probably time to fold if he bets out again on the turn. As played, you need to check behind on the river once your 4s hit. You now beat his high card hands but lose to just about everything else; there's no value here and you're never folding out anything you beat.

Re: When do I make a stand?
 

Find a hand with showdown value and get it there. Q-high isn't exactly it, and once he calls the turn, you're boned.

The fun thing about blind battles is that it can get maddingly frustrating, especially if you keep missing flops and/or he keeps outflopping you. Not good times.

The blind defense I do not mind -- you are about 50-50 against a random hand, and you are in position (which is very significant). In this spot I would defend with pretty much anything, especially if I think the SB is raising with anything.

-K