NLO8/b Game, Bottom Trips
 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of 5.
Hero calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, SB calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks...

What do you do here? I was playing at a table where people would play almost any hand, and and no one was hitting trips.

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I was playing at a table where people would play almost any hand, and and no one was hitting trips.

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What does this mean? Were you playing at a table where the laws of statistics do not apply? Your hand is garbage on the flop, b/c a low is already possible. Playing for half the pot with a very weak high is a bad idea.

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When I said "no one was hitting trips", I meant it figuratively. I had been playing for awhile and did not recall anyone who had hit trips. Call me stupid, I just play in an unorthodox way, and it works for me.

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Your hand is garbage pre-flop

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Short-handed, loose game. I play pocket pairs in Omaha like I do in hold'em - get in cheap and fold if you miss. Considering that most players in the game I was playing would play any four cards, they wouldn't have a good chance of holding a pocket pair.

Yeah, I'm stupid. Please flame me.

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I play pocket pairs in Omaha like I do in hold'em

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You can lose a lot of money doing this.

Bottom set is a weak hand. Bottom set when a low is possible and you don't have a low and there are straight and flush draws on the board is a very weak hand.

To answer your question, on the river I would check and call 1 bet. I would fold to a bet and raise.

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When I said "no one was hitting trips", I meant it figuratively. I had been playing for awhile and did not recall anyone who had hit trips. Call me stupid, I just play in an unorthodox way, and it works for me.

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You're stupid.


(You did ask for that.)

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Indeed, I did. Great job. Your IQ has been boosted by one point.

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When posting NL hands, it's a good idea to post bet sizes and stack sizes. It's hard to know what's going on without them.

I don't like your starting hand much. You flop a set, but low makes and there are two hearts. What's more, any A2xx's currently have nut low. I don't like little sets in NLO8 unless I have something else working. My question is: if you're going to play this hand, and then hit the flop with it, why not just shove your stack in on the flop?

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Okay, here we go...I call pre-flop, hoping that someone will raise so I can re-raise them in a show that I am strong.

Raise it to 150 on the flop, representing a strong flush draw or nut low, when in reality I had bottom trips and no low.

Turn, I bet another 150.

River, I moved in, hoping to bully these players out, seeing as they were just smooth-calling. Turns out that I had the winning high hand, and there was no low.

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Okay, here we go...I call pre-flop, hoping that someone will raise so I can re-raise them in a show that I am strong.

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Play K533 utg *hoping* to get a lot of chips in the pot out-of-position against a player showing strength? Sounds good so far.

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Yeah. I play poker like I screw - aggressively and some people think it's weird, but I end up doing good in the end.

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Indeed, I did. Great job. Your IQ has been boosted by one point.

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You're still stupid. Until you learn to fold K533 preflop in any position let alone under the gun it is completely pointless telling you anything else about the game since you can't understand the simple concept of not playing trash hands.

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This post is either a joke or it needs to be stickied and titled "How not to play NL O8/b"

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Did anyone state his hand was trash pre-flop?

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You did not make trips. You had a set. Trips means the board is paired. A set is 3-of-a-kind made from pocket pair.

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Yeah. I play poker like I screw - aggressively and some people think it's weird, but I end up doing good in the end.

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This is funny, because I was thinking something similar... I play poker like I screw - jam all-in every hand w/out any consideration for the opponent, and end up quickly busting out and feeling ashamed.

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This thread is hurting my eyes.

Please Re-post hand history
 

I agree with a former post that asked for more details in this hand. I do not know the blinds, or the size of the stacks. Until I see them, I think this was a "play" money hand. Not to demean you but please add details to make this a more serious post.

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PokerStars (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of 5.
Hero calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, SB calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks...

What do you do here? I was playing at a table where people would play almost any hand, and and no one was hitting trips.

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Bottom set on this flop is an insta fold to any bet. The lows are freerolling you let alone "established" high hands. You are fighting uphill against other sets also. Fighting for half the pot is a quick way to lose a lot.

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What do you do here? I was playing at a table where people would play almost any hand, and and no one was hitting trips.

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Nemmy - You bet.

As simulated you win about four hands out of five, but you only win half the pot when you win.

Whatever you bet, lets say two valuable chips, four times out of five you'll win half as much (one chip) and one time out of five you'll lose the two chips.

If you could make this bet five hundred times, you figure to net 200 chips.
Here's my math:
400*(+1) = +400
100*(-2) = -200
+400-200 = +200

It's even better than that, because your opponents have not been betting as though anyone has a higher set.

Since the odds are very much on your side, you bet what you can afford to lose.

I think you never bet more than you can afford to lose.

Just my opinion. I haven't read the other opinions yet. I'll read them after I post this. (Maybe someone else will already have written the same general idea as me, and my independent thinking will reinforce their idea).

Buzz

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I knew I recognized your ID - your trip report on Flyertalk about Israel sucking was gold.


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=446866

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dabigbadrook - What's a rook? Do you mean like in chess? Anyhow I like your posting picture.

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Bottom set on this flop is an insta fold to any bet. The lows are freerolling you let alone "established" high hands. You are fighting uphill against other sets also. Fighting for half the pot is a quick way to lose a lot.

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I don't know much about how best to play pot limit or no-limit Omaha-8. In a limit Omaha-8 game, I tend to avoid playing starting hands with small pairs so as to stay out of situations where I'll flop bottom set. For a full limit Omaha-8 game, in my humble opinion, this starting hand is horrid. But I have no idea how it works out in pot limit or no limit. I wouldn't even be reading this thread except that it looks like I'll be playing some pot limit Omaha-8 at the Bike in January (at the annual ESCARGOT) and so I had better try to learn something about how to play the game.

Anyhow, I simulated this hand/flop/board twice. Once for five players seeing the flop and then again for ten players seeing the flop. Against four opponents who also saw the flop, and assuming anyone who flopped a higher set would continue to the showdown, Hero won high in a four to one ratio. In the second simulation, against nine opponents who also saw the flop, and making the same assumption, Hero won high in a three to two ratio.

It needs to be noted that Hero has a couple of blockers (cards in his own hand that make it less probable an opponent holds a set). Maybe I should run some more sims without the blockers or with only one blocker to get a better idea of how flopped bottom set fares under different game conditions.

Of course if the flop had turned out differently, and then if the turn or river turned out differently, so that a straight or flush would be possible on the river, the situation would have been more grim for Hero.

I guess what I need to do next is run some simulations to see how Hero fares if a straight or flush is possible on the river. I'm wondering how many opponents (who will see the flop with random hands) to use. Maybe I'll just go play some poker and think about this on the drive to and from the casino - and then run the sims.

The number of opponents clearly makes a difference in Hero's odds. The exact cards involved also matter (more or less blockers and straights or flushes possible or not and when).

Just some rambling thoughts after having read the complete thread.

Buzz