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bigfishead 12-20-2005 09:12 PM

Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
Anyone here playing this? I got my seat. Guesstimates on attendance for so much money being added?

Bigdaddydvo 12-20-2005 10:01 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
If you'd win everytime by getting your chips in the pot with the best of it, I would have my seat too....

I guess there'll be a 500-750K prize pool

other1 12-20-2005 11:54 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I hope to play. Chipleader right now in the $5R sat.

mic_check12 12-21-2005 12:13 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I'll take the over on that Bigdaddy. WAY over

other1 12-21-2005 03:04 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I just got in. w00t.

See you there..

bigfishead 12-21-2005 09:55 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
[ QUOTE ]
If you'd win everytime by getting your chips in the pot with the best of it, I would have my seat too....

I guess there'll be a 500-750K prize pool

[/ QUOTE ]

You mean like this? You were the SB in this hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t18420)
Hero (t24355)
MP2 (t41675)
CO (t4189)
Button (t17900)
SB (t4845)
BB (t27080)
UTG (t11815)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t775) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks.

Turn: (t775) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t800</font>, BB calls t400.

River: (t2375) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t3620 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t3620.

Final Pot: t9615

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 8c 4s (three of a kind, fours).
SB has 6d 7d (one pair, fours).
Outcome: BB wins t9615. </font>

Prime Time 12-21-2005 02:35 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
Won’t be playing due to family obligations.
I would guess, that it will be rather light due to the holiday for others as well.
Very surprised that if they want to give an overlay as a holiday gift (nice gesture), they don’t do it on a more reasonable day other than Xmas.
Kind of sucks in my opinion. What are we suppose to do, have x-mas dinner with friends and extended family with the laptop fired up.
What do others think about this?

M.B.E. 12-21-2005 05:53 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I think this is kind of a weird decision on the part of PokerStars management. December 25 is the last Sunday of the month so ordinarily they would have their $500+30 tourney with a $700K guarantee. I imagine they figured they wouldn't get enough players to make the guarantee (because of the holiday), so they decided to turn that into a positive aspect that they could promote by calling it "$100K added". However, it might have been a better idea just to hold the $700K tourney on a different day (such as Saturday Dec. 31). I don't know that it's in PokerStars' best interest to create family strife by tempting their players to play in such a positive-EV tournament rather than spend time with their spouse, kids, or what-have-you on Christmas Day.

Anyone care to estimate how many runners this tourney will have? My guess is 1400-1500.

If they do get 1500 entrants, the prize pool would be $850,000 or $566.67 per person on average. How does that affect your EV? I suppose for a good player who typically has positive EV in a $530 tournament, this promotion would be worth about $100 additional EV. A typical bad player probably has EV around -$200, so even with the added money in the Dec. 25 tournament, most bad players will not have positive EV.

NorthernGuy 12-21-2005 06:00 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I think they're adding $100K to help boost attendance, since they likely won't get anywhere near the normal Sunday turnout.

Bigdaddydvo 12-21-2005 10:37 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
[ QUOTE ]
If you'd win everytime by getting your chips in the pot with the best of it, I would have my seat too....

I guess there'll be a 500-750K prize pool

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Apparently getting your money in as a favorite is actually good in poker. Who knew! I'm in now, see you all there.

bigfishead 12-22-2005 07:54 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I bet they still crack 2000 players.

Hey there are lots of people that dont celebrate xmas in a traditional way, spend it with family or whatever. I know I'm one that doesnt normally. This year I will be spending the time with nephews and they have been informed I will break them in two if I dont cash. heh.

TomHimself 12-22-2005 08:43 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
wats interesting is 405 places are paid no matter how mnay entries

12-22-2005 09:10 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
Is the $3 rebuy the best method on getting in this one if I don't want to mess with 500 FPP?

other1 12-22-2005 11:10 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
Is there a $3R? I did the $5R and won a seat my first try. Tourny wasnt too big but they still gave out 12 seats after all the rebuys and addons. Seemed like the way to go ro me.

bigfishead 12-23-2005 10:39 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I did a "wee hours of the morning" (pst) 20r satelite and got in on first try. As chip leader too! heh, like it matters. 289 players reg'd as I post this...WAY WAY to early to say for sure...But I still think it'll be over 2000 players.

nath 12-23-2005 01:57 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
Just got my seat in a morning 22r. Never played the big monthly before so I'm eager to see what it's like. I know it's Christmas, but the allure of a 100k overlay was too much...

12-23-2005 02:05 PM

Full Tilt $200K guarantee
 
No, but I just won a $6+.6 satellite to Full Tilt's January $200K guarantee. Anybody playing this?

12-23-2005 02:40 PM

Re: Full Tilt $200K guarantee
 
I would of thought regulars of the $215's from outside the US will be playing taking into consideration the time difference, I have no idea the breakdown of US v Other players.

other1 12-23-2005 04:54 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
At this point we are all in the money! Go us! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

bigfishead 12-24-2005 09:01 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
365 and counting...baby we're free rolling!!

henrikrh 12-24-2005 09:17 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
This tournment is looking pretty juicy with the 100k added, think if someone were to pay for someones entry fee as a christmas present, hint hint, that second someone might be very thankful and give 75% of any winnings back to the original someone, nudge nudge, wink. Hehe, good luck all.

BPA234 12-24-2005 10:18 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
A. I agree.
B. I see that the prize pool is "100,000 Added."
C. Present prize pool is 250G+/-
D. Usual guarantee is 700,000
E. This appears to be a clever way to avoid a huge overlay.

Am I wrong?

henrikrh 12-24-2005 10:34 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
Why, do the guaranteed tournies ussually not reach their guarantee? I doubt stars regularly has to add much, let alone more than 100k to make sure a tournament reaches it's guarantee.

Bigdaddydvo 12-24-2005 01:09 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
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Why, do the guaranteed tournies ussually not reach their guarantee? I doubt stars regularly has to add much, let alone more than 100k to make sure a tournament reaches it's guarantee.

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I've never seen Stars NOT meet the guarantee. However, it being Christmas, the bean counters could have forecasted a low turnout for the 700K. Rather than having to put up a massive $200-$300K overlay, they hedged their bets by "adding $100K for Christmas." Makes sense to me.

M.B.E. 12-24-2005 02:14 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
[ QUOTE ]
A. I agree.
B. I see that the prize pool is "100,000 Added."
C. Present prize pool is 250G+/-
D. Usual guarantee is 700,000
E. This appears to be a clever way to avoid a huge overlay.

Am I wrong?

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Yes, you are wrong.

There is no law requiring a $700K-guarantee tournament on the final Sunday of the month. Nobody would fault the site for saying (for example), "in light of the Christmas holiday, this month our $700K-guarantee $500+30 tournament will be held on Dec. 26 [or Dec. 30 or 31 or whenever]". Aside from being $100K cheaper for PokerStars, this solution would avoid the long-term ill will that a promotion like this on Christmas Day is bound to generate.

bigfishead 12-24-2005 07:12 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I think it far too early to say it WONT make the normal 700k. It is the last Sunday of Dec. They hold the $530 on the last Sunday always and we know it. They would probably piss of more people if they moved it to Monday or some other day.

But by adding 100k to the prizepool no matter how many turn out they are saying, "we will hold this "regular" tournament and say thanks by adding $100k." To expect them to make it a 750k guarantee on xmas is ludicris IMO. Yet it could easily go over that number. I know for me the "added" is why I jumped in. Just looks like to big an overlay to not jump in.

2005 12-24-2005 07:33 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
I'm probably not gonna be playing, but let's not forget this guys: Not everyone celebrates Christmas, so why would they change their regular schedule just because some of the people who would normally play have a holiday that day. They don't change their schedule for big Jewish holidays or Chinese New Year etc. so why would they change it for this one?

bigfishead 12-24-2005 08:20 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
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I'm probably not gonna be playing, but let's not forget this guys: Not everyone celebrates Christmas, so why would they change their regular schedule just because some of the people who would normally play have a holiday that day. They don't change their schedule for big Jewish holidays or Chinese New Year etc. so why would they change it for this one?

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Agreed.

BTW...we aint on a freeroll no more. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

420 or so last I looked.

M.B.E. 12-24-2005 08:38 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
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BTW...we aint on a freeroll no more.

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It would not be a freeroll with 405 players. Prize pool would be $302,500 and last place would get 0.08% of that, $242, for a loss of $288.

The break-even point for 405th place is 1125 entrants.

other1 12-24-2005 10:15 PM

How many chips?
 
Anyone know how many starting chips we get for this tourny? Is it the standard 1500? (I hope not)

2005 12-24-2005 10:18 PM

Re: How many chips?
 
2500, 20 min levels

bigfishead 12-25-2005 10:59 AM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
BTW...we aint on a freeroll no more.

[/ QUOTE ]
It would not be a freeroll with 405 players. Prize pool would be $302,500 and last place would get 0.08% of that, $242, for a loss of $288.



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My bad...latest count 571...6 1/2 hrs to go. Time for a nap.

bigfishead 12-25-2005 06:16 PM

Re: Xmas Stars $530 +100k added tourny
 
1876 players...not bad....800+ for the minimum "in the money".


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