B&M costly newbie error - DON\'T DO WHAT I DID!!!
 

I'm an internet player. Been playing 8 months casually and a fairly ept* player IIDSSMS**. So anyway, I'm in Melbourne for the weekend and decide to take myself to Crown Casino - venue of the Aussie Millions early next year. I manage to figure out how to put myself on the list for a 4/8 hold'em game and finally I sit down and start playing. I was very nervous but after a few hands I was well into it. What a great table! There were 4 or more seeing every flop - a bunch of loose passives. Perfect.

Time for a new paragraph. Not really getting any great hole cards but remaining patient and of the few hands I do play I catch a couple of flops and win a few hands. A new dealer and cards go flying. Literally. She's not really a very good dealer. A card goes face up and people start chucking in their cards. Now I'm figuring that it's a misdeal and I look at my cards anyway and I see pocket aces. Great - a misdeal now! I chuck my cards in face up...

Error.

A SINGLE FACE UP CARD DOES NOT CONSTITUE A MISDEAL. The players chucking their cards in were folding!

I was mortified, as you can imagine. There was much ribbing from other players which I took with good humour and repeated banging of my head against the table. The winner of the hand showed a pair of 4's. A lesson learned, and now, a lesson shared.




* ept adj. opposite of inept

** IIDSSMS if this isn't internet abreviation already it should be if I do say so myself

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In US pokerrooms, one face up card gets shuffled back into the deck and anything slightly odd beyond that turns into a misdeal.

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In US pokerrooms, one face up card gets shuffled back into the deck and anything slightly odd beyond that turns into a misdeal.

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The normal procedure is for the exposed card to be used as the first burn card.

To the OP, see Robert's Rules of Poker for the ins-and-outs of what constitutes a misdeal.

Regards,

T

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At Crown the face up card remains face up. A 2nd face up card and it's a misdeal then.

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I'm an internet player. Been playing 8 months casually and a fairly ept* player IIDSSMS**.

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I beleive you mean apt which is the opposite of inept.

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In US pokerrooms, one face up card gets shuffled back into the deck and anything slightly odd beyond that turns into a misdeal.

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The normal procedure is for the exposed card to be used as the first burn card.

To the OP, see Robert's Rules of Poker for the ins-and-outs of what constitutes a misdeal.

Regards,

T

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You are totally right. Whoops. The procedue I described is what they do when someone hasn't acted yet, but the dealer didn't notice and put down another card (usually the turn card or river card).

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The winner of the hand showed a pair of 4's.



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With that weak of a hand winning you probably wouldn't have gotten good action so just think that they all would have folded to your raises so you just didn't win a small pot.

Just trying to rationalize.

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Good post/thread.

There's another thing to watch out for. Sometimes there isn't a misdeal (e.g., problem discovered after two palyers have already acted) but players with bad hands will suddenly fold out of turn trying to "force" a misdeal. Unfortunately, when the dealer and/or floor is easily intimidated this often works.

Gotta go,

~ Rick

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Up late, thought it was a misdeal. I thought it was a misdeal because many people started folding out of turn. I think they were rushing to get some pizza or some BS like that.

Flipped over my aces. I raised and 'stole' the blinds.

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I'm an internet player. Been playing 8 months casually and a fairly ept* player IIDSSMS**.

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I beleive you mean apt which is the opposite of inept.

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I believe you mean adept.

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I'm an internet player. Been playing 8 months casually and a fairly ept* player IIDSSMS**.

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I beleive you mean apt which is the opposite of inept.

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I believe you mean adept.

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inept
adj.

1. Not apt or fitting; inappropriate.
2.<ul type="square">[*] 1. Displaying a lack of judgment, sense, or reason; foolish: an inept remark. [*] 2. Bungling or clumsy; incompetent: inept handling of the account.[/list][Latin ineptus : in-, not; see in-1 + aptus, suitable; see apt.]

But in the context used, adept would be the opposite.

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It's like any other sport... you don't stop running/shooting/carrying the ball etc. until the whistle is blown and the Ref is stopping the action.

I just hold onto my cards until the dealer looks at me and asks for them back.

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I just hold onto my cards until the dealer looks at me and asks for them back.

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I bet you're a favorite at your local B&amp;M.

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I just hold onto my cards until the dealer looks at me and asks for them back.

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I bet you're a favorite at your local B&amp;M.

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Though I wait as well, I don't wait for the dealer to ask. I wait for him to start pushing me the pot. I am a little annoyed by people who wait for the dealer to ask. Though it does give the image of a clueless idiot. Hmm, maybe I'll start...

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I just hold onto my cards until the dealer looks at me and asks for them back.

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I bet you're a favorite at your local B&amp;M.

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Though I wait as well, I don't wait for the dealer to ask. I wait for him to start pushing me the pot. I am a little annoyed by people who wait for the dealer to ask. Though it does give the image of a clueless idiot. Hmm, maybe I'll start...

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Good point but don't start. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I'm as careful as they come but if the dealer is starting to push you the pot (or acknowledges you have the winning hand) it's safe to release your cards.

~ Rick

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Wow! Just came across this post after doing a search for "Melbourne"

I was there when this happened and I remember it well, especially the pair of fours winning!

I was the one on the (non-folding) end of the table (to the dealer's left) leading the pack giving you heaps (in a friendly way of course...)

That was a great night and yes I love the loose passives that abound on the 4/8 tables at crown. (I am certainly not one of them!)

Now when I tell this story I can add that it made it as a post on the 2+2 forum. I could but I wont. Don't want those laggies getting in on my advantage over them. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Anyway, hope you enjoyed you time at with us in Melbourne. Thanks for posting this, I'ld say that's it worth about 15 seconds of fame for both of us. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

-Jim