My Friday Rant
 

Gary Carson, who is a bit of a pariah around these parts, wrote something along the lines of people consider themselves as having a game, like I'm a red chip hold 'em player, and that stops them from sitting in good games. If I remember correctly, he was talking about the need to play more than HE, but the same principle applies to the talk of various Party limits. I'll play between 5/10 and 20/40 on Party, and the deciding factors are how I feel (tired/rested, clear-headed/drunk) and how good the games are. I don't think you guys practice good game selection if you make blanket statements about the quality of games at a given limit. I started playing 15/30 in December because one of my buddies was playing--taking a shot, I guess. I never looked back. Find good games, play good games, take the occasional shot. Don't limit yourself because you heard 5/10 full is bad or whatever. People are wrong. Sometimes a bigger game is surprisingly good because it's Tuesday and 2 donkeys are sitting at 10/20 full. If you can spare 25-50 BBs, give it a shot.

Yeah, and congratulations to Entity.

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Nice post. I *do* think it's probably worth mentioning that even when you were giving 15/30 a shot, you were probably more used to various types of game texture from lots of live play, which is important (i.e. a 3/6 guy with a large bankroll will probably not feel super comfortable just sitting in at a good 15/30 game off the bat).

That said, good post. And thanks. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rob

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as a coup to this if you want to play for higher stakes but feel you are risking less head down to a live game and play higher stakes where the players arn't as good or aggressive. I find myself beating 3/6 and 5/10 (I haven't ventured too much to 10/20 and 15/30)online but live I can kill 10/20... I'm sure this is obvious for any experienced player.. but for you noobs out there...

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I agree.

This thinking is clearly evident on the B+M forum where once a week someone says "I play 2/4 online - how does that translate into a B+M limit?"

People should get over this mental block and pick games that they can beat.

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Ha, I remember talking to you on AIM and sweating you one of the first times you played 15 (maybe the first time). You played that real big pot w/ KTs where you capped the flop with a flush draw. You ended up winning a big pot and then sat out at your big blind because you said, "My hands are shaking."

Not much of content to say. I agree with the post, I do the same thing, switiching between 5/10 and 10/20 when I can find good games.

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My Friday rant: You don't rant enough. Nice post.

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as a coup to this if you want to play for higher stakes but feel you are risking less head down to a live game and play higher stakes where the players arn't as good or aggressive. I find myself beating 3/6 and 5/10 (I haven't ventured too much to 10/20 and 15/30)online but live I can kill 10/20... I'm sure this is obvious for any experienced player.. but for you noobs out there...

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Yeah, this is another thing. As donktastic as Party is, live games are almost always much softer for the identical limit. Less aggression, looser, etc etc. Get used to watching a table for an orbit and picking things up. 10 hands live is 20 minutes.

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Ha, I remember talking to you on AIM and sweating you one of the first times you played 15 (maybe the first time). You played that real big pot w/ KTs where you capped the flop with a flush draw. You ended up winning a big pot and then sat out at your big blind because you said, "My hands are shaking."

Not much of content to say. I agree with the post, I do the same thing, switiching between 5/10 and 10/20 when I can find good games.

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My hands were shaking and it felt freaking awesome. They were also shaking the first couple of hands of 40/80 I played but that might have been because Clark was on my left.

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My hands were shaking and it felt freaking awesome.

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OMG you ARE an addict. My mom was right!

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I started playing 15/30 in December because one of my buddies was playing--taking a shot, I guess. Here we are, 28 hands later, I've never looked back

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fyp

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Great post. Very similar to SS2's Fox > Hedgehog analogy (the former being a strong or merely competent multi-game player and the latter a one-game specialist). I don't think this applies so much to 2/4 LHE or even 3/6 when the games are typically very good, but certainly 5/10 and higher it can be very important. There seems to be a plateau at this level of play which is difficult to surmount, especially for multi-tabling regulars. I've worked at it for some time now and still haven't comfortably reached mid-stakes.

Depending on the games available, I bounce from Limit HE and Omaha/8, 6-max and full, between 3/6 and 10/20.

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My hands were shaking and it felt freaking awesome.

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I found the old AIM log...


<font color="blue">sfer:</font> KTs
<font color="red">Evan:</font> you gonna start playing this more?
<font color="red">Evan:</font> nice
<font color="red">Evan:</font> rut roh
<font color="red">Evan:</font> cold calling is bad
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> !!
<font color="red">Evan:</font> spades?
<font color="red">Evan:</font> :)
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> Yeah
<font color="red">Evan:</font> CAP!!!
<font color="red">Evan:</font> ooo
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> I have to bet
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> WOOT!
<font color="red">Evan:</font> of course
<font color="red">Evan:</font> that was a happy "ooo"
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> Last orbit!
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> 8-)
<font color="red">Evan:</font> why?
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> My hands are shaking
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> No joke
<font color="red">Evan:</font> hahaha
<font color="red">Evan:</font> that's awesome
<font color="red">Evan:</font> how'd that cap on the flop feel?
<font color="blue">sfer:</font> Awesome

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good post.

its something ive been doing myself for a while now, others here need to adopt the same attitude. playing in higher/lower limits because youve scouted out a good game is something that is EASY to do, far far easier than learning other games. but its something people rarely do.

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I started playing 15/30 in December because one of my buddies was playing--taking a shot, I guess. Here we are, 28 hands later, I've never looked back

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fyp

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If I don't play another hand I'm getting almost $400 in rakeback for July. That's gotta be some sort of record.

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I started playing 15/30 in December because one of my buddies was playing--taking a shot, I guess. Here we are, 28 hands later, I've never looked back

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fyp

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If I don't play another hand I'm getting almost $400 in rakeback for July. That's gotta be some sort of record.

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You really don't play much, do you?

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Ha, I remember talking to you on AIM and sweating you one of the first times you played 15 (maybe the first time). You played that real big pot w/ KTs where you capped the flop with a flush draw. You ended up winning a big pot and then sat out at your big blind because you said, "My hands are shaking."

Not much of content to say. I agree with the post, I do the same thing, switiching between 5/10 and 10/20 when I can find good games.

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My hands were shaking and it felt freaking awesome. They were also shaking the first couple of hands of 40/80 I played but that might have been because Clark was on my left.

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my hands shook the first day i played 15/30 3rd hand in i pulled down a 30BB pot, thought I was having a seizure

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good post.

and yeah, gw ent.

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Gary Carson, who is a bit of a pariah around these parts, wrote something along the lines of people consider themselves as having a game, like I'm a red chip hold 'em player, and that stops them from sitting in good games. If I remember correctly, he was talking about the need to play more than HE, but the same principle applies to the talk of various Party limits. I'll play between 5/10 and 20/40 on Party, and the deciding factors are how I feel (tired/rested, clear-headed/drunk) and how good the games are. I don't think you guys practice good game selection if you make blanket statements about the quality of games at a given limit. I started playing 15/30 in December because one of my buddies was playing--taking a shot, I guess. I never looked back. Find good games, play good games, take the occasional shot. Don't limit yourself because you heard 5/10 full is bad or whatever. People are wrong. Sometimes a bigger game is surprisingly good because it's Tuesday and 2 donkeys are sitting at 10/20 full. If you can spare 25-50 BBs, give it a shot.

Yeah, and congratulations to Entity.

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I agree. I have been focused on game selection for a while now and I definitely flit among different levels depending on the tpyes of factors you mentioned. That said, I expect I will be starting to take the occassional shot at higher levels (i.e., above $5/10) in the upcoming months.

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Nice post. I took my first shot at 15/30 last night. I think a good accessory for taking shots is TiltBlocker. That program is rad.

Also, I've been making posts about 10/20 trying to create a bad image of the game a la "5/10 full sucks don't play there" posts, but I'll stop doing that. People should move up.

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Also, I've been making posts about 10/20 trying to create a bad image of the game a la "5/10 full sucks don't play there" posts, but I'll stop doing that. People should move up.

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Hahahaha. You really had me going...

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I know of a couple players at Canterbury that make over $100,000 a year out of that room using game selection as one of there tools. Neither of these players go to play and say, "Well 30/60 is the biggest game so thats the one I have to play in". Some days it 6/12, and somedays it 30/60, and some days it's a mixture of both. I do not know how many of the regulars in a game such as this make more than these 2 individuals, but I think it is safe to say that it is not alot. Everybody plays for different reasons, but if your reason for playing is to make money then game selection and not necessarly the notion that I am a (insert the limit) player should determine what games to play.

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My Friday rant: You don't rant enough. Nice post.

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Holy [censored]. Are you keeping a diary or something?

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Google Desktop, brah.

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Good rant.

Also, Carson is way underrated, he talked about a lot of the concepts that are in SSHE a long time before it was published.

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There's not enough proper capitalization going on in IM conversations these days.

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He was pretty sloopy in that one. These days he uses periods, too.

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I thought for sure this post was going to be about Gin Rummy.

Anyway, good post. I think ego and pride sometimes gets in the way of people playing in a good game when they see one. There seem to be plenty of people out there who wouldn't sit at a 5/10 table now, even if it's good, because they've "moved past" that level.

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I agree with what you are saying. In my usual game (party 3/6) I see the same people doing the same things all the time. If I didn't play any other game that's all I would know and my game would suffer. (its bad enough) Id like to add that playing down has it's advantages too. It's easy to forget the skills that were important at a lower limit but don't apply to the game/level you are playing now.

I agree. I think you need to be careful about playing over your bankroll but that you should look to mix it up and challenge yourself often. For me anyway it makes the game more interesting and makes me a better player.

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Lets define "good game" for everyone out there, i guess this could be somewhat different for everyone.

To me if my bank roll feeling good, i like to have a crazy player or two in the game. If the roll is hurting, 30%(i think) or less to the flop is what ill look for, hoping that the TPTK will hold up. lemme here what you guy think