Logic, Math, and Politics
 

I curious to know what people in this forum have to say about a recent discussion in the politics forum.

Liberals are regularly criticized for not having any fundamental principals. In contrast, conservatives have an ideological viewpoint that is based in moral absolutes. Conservatives know what they want while liberals are constantly changing their position based on circumstance.

Let’s apply this logic to math class. I love the number 5. It’s always been my favorite number, ever since I was a little kid. How would I do in a math class where I refused to consider any answer but 5?

Is there any flaw in my logic that I’m not seeing?

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I curious to know what people in this forum have to say about a recent discussion in the politics forum.

Liberals are regularly criticized for not having any fundamental principals. In contrast, conservatives have an ideological viewpoint that is based in moral absolutes. Conservatives know what they want while liberals are constantly changing their position based on circumstance.

Let’s apply this logic to math class. I love the number 5. It’s always been my favorite number, ever since I was a little kid. How would I do in a math class where I refused to consider any answer but 5?

Is there any flaw in my logic that I’m not seeing?

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You haven't presented any logical argument so there is no flaw to find. You made one statement and then posed a question. I don't think I am missing anything!

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I curious to know what people in this forum have to say about a recent discussion in the politics forum.

Liberals are regularly criticized for not having any fundamental principals. In contrast, conservatives have an ideological viewpoint that is based in moral absolutes. Conservatives know what they want while liberals are constantly changing their position based on circumstance.

Let’s apply this logic to math class. I love the number 5. It’s always been my favorite number, ever since I was a little kid. How would I do in a math class where I refused to consider any answer but 5?

Is there any flaw in my logic that I’m not seeing?

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I'm more liberal than conservative... but I think a good balance is best: change for progress, but cautiously for safety. Liberals seem to embrace change and diversity, conservatives embrace stability & uniformity. Too liberal becomes chaos. Too conservative becomes stagnant.

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How does something become too liberal? By default, American liberalism is designed to keep from getting too extreme in one direction or another.

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I actually made two statements about American politics:

1) Conservatives are ideologically rigid and proud of that fact.
2) Liberals are ideologically flexible and often attacked for that fact.

I then asked which would be more sucessful in a math class, a liberal or conservative approach? Do you have an answer?

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How does something become too liberal?

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By not having enough conservative constraints?

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I then asked which would be more sucessful in a math class, a liberal or conservative approach? Do you have an answer?

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Your characterization does not conform to reality. Look, I'm one of the most liberal people I know... so I know where you are coming from. But, it does no good to make ridiculous analogies like that.

I could just as easy say:

A conservative says: 2+2=4 was true yesterday, so it's true today. A liberal wants to take a vote, and make sure everybody is OK with 2+2 being equal to 4. Which would do better in a math class?

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A conservative says: 2+2=4 was true yesterday, so it's true today. A liberal wants to take a vote, and make sure everybody is OK with 2+2 being equal to 4. Which would do better in a math class?

[/ QUOTE ] This is interesting. Do liberals really want to take a vote about all of those things? And do conservatives really have access to any kind of fundemental truth? Does truth even exist?

Or can situations only be evaluated in context?

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Kip, you could argue both sides.

You are partially correct with the 2+2=4 example, but what about is this the best method of solving this system of equations or what not? If we stay too rigid there would be no advancement of math.

Melch

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I actually made two statements about American politics:

1) Conservatives are ideologically rigid and proud of that fact.
2) Liberals are ideologically flexible and often attacked for that fact.

I then asked which would be more sucessful in a math class, a liberal or conservative approach? Do you have an answer?

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Irrelevant. Political ideology has nothing to do with mathematics.

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I always thought math and politics were both about solving problems.

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You just gave a creative but weak analogy, not an argument, though I see where you are going.

The analogy is weak because ideology is vastly more complex than mathematics in that math has but one true answer that all can agree on. You would be the only one who thought 5 was right, and would be universally regarded an imbecile. When it comes to ideology, though, there as many as there are people in the world.

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I curious to know what people in this forum have to say about a recent discussion in the politics forum.

Liberals are regularly criticized for not having any fundamental principals. In contrast, conservatives have an ideological viewpoint that is based in moral absolutes. Conservatives know what they want while liberals are constantly changing their position based on circumstance.

Let’s apply this logic to math class. I love the number 5. It’s always been my favorite number, ever since I was a little kid. How would I do in a math class where I refused to consider any answer but 5?

Is there any flaw in my logic that I’m not seeing?

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moral absolutes??? please these are just moral absolutes if you're a christian.

The real problem with both liberals and conservatives is that they refuse to accept any priority of social or econimic impact.

And no one can speak candidly on ANY topic. why can't a president sit down and speak honestly on a topic without some official answer. I would love to have two poeple in the political world sit down and just have a discussion on a topic.

oh yeah and your mathematics analogy is pretty ridiculous [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

it has close to nothing to do with this topic

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So, by your logic, aren't ideologies that believe there is only one answer fundemntally flawed?

By the way, your aviator is totally great.