PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

To early for reads while I 4-table..........

PokerStars Game #3397275584: Tournament #16841340, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/12/21 - 17:43:55 (ET)
Table '16841340 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Cubs84 (1470 in chips)
Seat 2: saswilly (1515 in chips)
Seat 3: jclark34 (1290 in chips)
Seat 4: MarylandPkwy (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: snickerzz (1450 in chips)
Seat 6: uws81 (1700 in chips)
Seat 7: tjb187 (1510 in chips)
Seat 8: edog2005 (1380 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: waywardpal (1715 in chips)
edog2005: posts small blind 15
waywardpal: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MarylandPkwy [As Js]
Cubs84: folds
saswilly: folds
jclark34: folds
MarylandPkwy: calls 30
snickerzz: folds
uws81: folds
tjb187: calls 30
edog2005: folds
waywardpal: raises 60 to 90
MarylandPkwy: calls 60
tjb187: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s 8c]
waywardpal: bets 120
MarylandPkwy: raises 280 to 400
tjb187: folds
waywardpal: raises 1225 to 1625 and is all-in
MarylandPkwy: ????????

Please critique all betting rounds. Do you think my reraise is to large? Who is folding here?

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

I will elaborate. Simply, I'm convinced he has a set or an overpair. What do you think?

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

is it that obvious, is everyone calling here?

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

Preflop: Fold. But, because you didn’t, fold to the raise.

Flop: Yea, I re-raise now because he could be c-betting a lot of the time here, but I’m folding every time to his re-raise.

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

I folded. You don't like to play this cheap as a drawing hand? If he had raised more pre-flop im definitely folding. His raise is basically a min-raise to me with two other players in hand besides him. Unsuited its an easy fold for me preflop. ("but they were suited"--no im not that donkey!!!!!, or am i???)

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

I think I answered my own question as playing drawing hands early is usually a big no-no in my book. Duh

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

I fold preflop.

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

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To early for reads while I 4-table..........

PokerStars Game #3397275584: Tournament #16841340, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/12/21 - 17:43:55 (ET)
Table '16841340 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Cubs84 (1470 in chips)
Seat 2: saswilly (1515 in chips)
Seat 3: jclark34 (1290 in chips)
Seat 4: MarylandPkwy (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: snickerzz (1450 in chips)
Seat 6: uws81 (1700 in chips)
Seat 7: tjb187 (1510 in chips)
Seat 8: edog2005 (1380 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: waywardpal (1715 in chips)
edog2005: posts small blind 15
waywardpal: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MarylandPkwy [As Js]
Cubs84: folds
saswilly: folds
jclark34: folds
MarylandPkwy: calls 30
snickerzz: folds
uws81: folds
tjb187: calls 30
edog2005: folds
waywardpal: raises 60 to 90
MarylandPkwy: calls 60
tjb187: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s 8c]
waywardpal: bets 120
MarylandPkwy: raises 280 to 400
tjb187: folds
waywardpal: raises 1225 to 1625 and is all-in
MarylandPkwy: ????????

Please critique all betting rounds. Do you think my reraise is to large? Who is folding here?

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FWIW, as you played it, I'd call. For me, I'd fold PF. I've played against you and don't understand why you are 4 tabling as you say and not focusing on improving your game. That's not to say that you didn't play ok from the stats I have (which are average/normal) and my memory, but you got my attention for other reasons.

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

I don’t mind playing AJs as a drawing hand if good drawing conditions are there. Ie., you are in late position with lots of limpers in front. But, I’m still very careful with it because I play 800 chippers, so flush draws are going to drain my stack when they don’t hit.

As for your case, although you have a much deeper stack than Party sgns, you are still trying to play a drawing hand from EP with no one else in the pot yet.

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

Ok, I guess my question is...you called preflop with your AJs. What were you hoping to flop?

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

pf limp is fine. with the raise, you have to be careful postflop if you call. on the flop, i think your best option is to flat call, keeping the pot small and hoping for a brick on the turn. let him bluff his stack off if he's behind.

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

Folding preflop is probably best, but I don't think limping is terrible.

On the flop I like the initial raise here, it gets you the information you need. Your raise basically is asking the question, do you have it? He comes over the top which means yes. Now you have to decide if you believe him. In this situation with no prior reads I would. The small preflop raise indicates a stronger hand that wants action, same with the smallish flop bet. He has played this hand exactly like an overpair, there isn't much else I can see him playing this way. So in my opinion you must fold here, and probably should have just folded preflop to begin with.

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

"I've played against you and don't understand why you are 4 tabling as you say and not focusing on improving your game. That's not to say that you didn't play ok from the stats I have (which are average/normal) and my memory, but you got my attention for other reasons."

Please elaborate on the other reasons if you're willing to share. I'm here to improve.

Re: PS $16 Turbo: TPTK on flop facing all in reraise
 

I know many people love to rip me for this but I have had this argument before so here goes... Raise preflop original raiser will prob reraise and you will fold. If he flat calls you bet out flop and if he raises (whic is most likely) you fold. This guy probably has an overpair this does not smell like a set.