Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

SB is a pretty big LAG, BB seems fairly tight and aggressive. My problem with this hand is that I called the flop bet planning to push on the turn but then his turn bet screamed to me that I was beat. Does the fact that the table is somewhat deep stacked change the way you play this hand?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($105.68)
MP ($48.50)
Hero ($103.90)
SB ($123.41)
BB ($114.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB (poster) raises to $2.75, BB calls $2.50, MP folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $5, BB raises to $25</font>, Hero calls $25, SB folds.

Turn: ($64.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $50, Hero?

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

The way I play this has nothing to do with deepstacks, I push...his play is exactly how AK would play

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

hero pushes.

he's look like Kx here.

he'd most like would rr KK pf and if he's got the overset with 88 then he can have my stack.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

You're not nearly deep enough to fold here. Get it all in.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

Easy all-in.

These aren't really deep stacks. If you put money in on the turn, your stack is committed. Now if you each had, say $400 left, then it gets more interesting.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

Thanks for the replies. Any thoughts on how stacked you and villain would have to be to make a fold plausible? 5 buy-ins? 6? I'm assuming most would still call and see what he does on the river then start entertaining the thought of folding if he pushes.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

stacks make no difference here imo...Whatever stack there is, I raise this turn. If I have alot of money, I raise something proportional to the pot. If I don't have alot of money, I raise whatever I have left.

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I'm assuming most would still call and see what he does on the river then start entertaining the thought of folding if he pushes.

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Nope. Decide if you hand is best right now. If you think it is then go to showdown. If you think it is not then fold now. Dont call then fold on the river. Assume the villian is going to move in on river before you make the turn call.

Calling then folding the river is probably the worst move here. You are better off folding it now or going all the way with it.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

Raise the flop

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Raise the flop

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Agreed. The only hand you should really be worried about here is 88 or an interestingly played KK. You are not deep enough to consider folding.

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Raise the flop

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No, don't raise the flop. 3-betting the flop screams a huge hand (AKA set) on this board, and may chase away any hand that isnt beating us. We want to get more action from TP hands, and there arent any draws we're concerned about. With position, a flop call is correct, with the intention to raise/push the turn.

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Raise the flop

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No, don't raise the flop. 3-betting the flop screams a huge hand (AKA set) on this board, and may chase away any hand that isnt beating us. We want to get more action from TP hands, and there arent any draws we're concerned about. With position, a flop call is correct, with the intention to raise/push the turn.

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Agreed. There is no reason to raise the flop in this situation, it never even crossed my mind.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

I hate it but you'll have to pay off 88 here, and I can't really see anything else, except AK from a "tight and agressive" BB. Although he's playing it a lot faster than most guys would at .25/.50 on such a dry board.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

I really dont see KK or 88 popping such a boring flop that hard. And having effective stacks slightly over 2x buy in isn't deepstacked (enough to fold this especially)

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Raise the flop

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No need. Put the rest in on the turn.

I really hope this isn't a bad beat post.

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Raise the flop

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No need. Put the rest in on the turn.

I really hope this isn't a bad beat post.

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It is but hero played his hand well. NH.

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Raise the flop

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No need. Put the rest in on the turn.

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It is but hero played his hand well. NH.

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Villain had 88 so not really a bad beat since he had me all the way. I know that going broke on set v set is just one of those things poker players have to except in capped buy-in NL. After reading the responses I agree that going broke was perfectly okay on this hand (because of the stacks and the action). I think my real question is, at what point do you have to consider folding when the stacks get deeper then this example?

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Raise the flop

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I don't mind a flop call in hopes of an overcall from SB.

Once it's heads up on the turn, it's an easy raise.

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I think my real question is, at what point do you have to consider folding when the stacks get deeper then this example?

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Well, did these stacks deepen because one or two retired CEO's are going buckwild, or are there a few rocks who have steadily been taking people down left and right?

and, FWIW, if I had $250 and he had me covered, I'd still pay him off *if he played the hand like this*. Because I don't entirely agree that his line screams a set above yours.

One more thing: you say his bet screams that he is better than you. Well, that may be true. And you still may be better than him. One of the worst things would be folding the best hand here because the idiot thought his AK really was invincible.

Re: Deep stack situation in 50NL
 

And what exactly does a smooth call of an very large say on a drawless board?