Is eurosuck/pokerroom\'s rake schedule really this hideous?
 

Right now after 3500 hands clearing eurosuck's 100% up to 600 bonus I'm paying about 6BB/100 in rake at their 5-max games at 3/6. Does anybody have solid numbers on rake at specific limits? I have a wide range of limits I can play at, but I'd rather not go to 10/20 since I don't have the roll there for it.

I mean I knew there was a big pissing match here awhile ago because they raised their rake rates yet again, but this is awful.

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Yes it is, and thank god for 30% "unmentionable" [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Hey how did you get eurosucks new client hand histories? I don't see the folder after I did this last upgrade.

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poker room rake is ridiculous below 10/20. 10/20 and above it is fine.

If I am playong at 3/6 I would rather play at poker Stars without any bonus, than at pokerroom/eurobet with both a bonus and rakeback.

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They have the highest rake short of Pacific.

At 5max, you are paying proportionally more of that rake than you were at 6max.

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I win more at this network than any other despite the rake but I don't/won't play there without a bonus to clear or rb.

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Hey how did you get eurosucks new client hand histories? I don't see the folder after I did this last upgrade.

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Once you play a game the folder got created for me, and with the new pt update it worked fine when I imported via autoimport pokerroom.

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Weird, it didn't create any HH folders for me. Did eurobet create a PR folder by chance?

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Weird, it didn't create any HH folders for me. Did eurobet create a PR folder by chance?

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CoralEurobetpoker/Resources/Databases/BradleyTTexasReal.db - use the "autoimport Pokerroom hand histories" function in PT.

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I'm paying about 6BB/100 in rake at their 5-max games at 3/6

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Okay, I'm not accusing you of intentionally lying or being disengenious (I want to be clear about that), but are you sure? Perhaps you made an error somehow, punched a number in wrong when using a calculator... something. I know thier rake is insane for online poker (which is why I don't play there) but this seems too outrageous.

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I'm paying about 6BB/100 in rake at their 5-max games at 3/6

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Okay, I'm not accusing you of intentionally lying or being disengenious (I want to be clear about that), but are you sure? Perhaps you made an error somehow, punched a number in wrong when using a calculator... something. I know thier rake is insane for online poker (which is why I don't play there) but this seems too outrageous.

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I think that's about right, especially if he's spending some time < 5 handed.

The "every flop is raked" philosophy at PR is just going to cream low-limit shorthanded players.

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At Full Tilt the other night I played $2/$4 heads up for an hour. We paid $20 in rake, and I cleared $1.11 of bonus. That was awesome.

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I think that's about right, especially if he's spending some time < 5 handed.

The "every flop is raked" philosophy at PR is just going to cream low-limit shorthanded players.

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That sucks, I was using the latest $600 bonus to try and learn SH.

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At Full Tilt the other night I played $2/$4 heads up for an hour. We paid $20 in rake, and I cleared $1.11 of bonus. That was awesome.

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I earned $2 after playing 1 hour of 15/30 stud8 heads up and about $70 was raked. At least they only take $.50 heads up and not $1 like many other places.

When agreed time was up I even told the guy lets play until one of us is up just so the house would not be only winner.

As for PR rake I played 2/4 stud8 and it was raking $2 max 3 handed and at $22 or $24 it had taken $1.60 in rake. The only thing that makes Pacific worse is the $4 max. Like another poster stated 10/20+ it is actually better because it is based on big bets.

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That's 'only' 36 cents a hand, so only $1.80 per 5 handed hand. They rake .50 cents per flop and $2 at 4 BB, so that seems believable. Also, [censored] absurd.

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Weird, it didn't create any HH folders for me. Did eurobet create a PR folder by chance?

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Make sure to enable statistics, it won't store any HH until you do this. (From download client, go to "statistics" and "enable statistics".

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I don't/won't play there without a bonus to clear or rb.

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That's definitely a good idea, although I'm wondering if it's even worth it with a bonus to clear.

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I'm also working on this bonus on this horrible network's rake schedual. With the $600 bonus, I'm wondering what the net rake is. Has anyone worked this out?

But just to bitch some more about how bad it is there.. On pokerroomrake.com, it says that at $3-$6 is maxed at $3. It goes from a rake of $1.20 @ $30 (not bad), to $3.00 @ $35 (god awful). Most rooms rake more incrementally. For instance, PartyPooper takes out $1.50 @ $35 and $3.00 @ $60, with increments of $0.50 in between.

I probably won't be playing there after I clear the bonus.

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play some NO LIMIT there.

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play some NO LIMIT there.

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Good idea actually. Forgot to mention that NL and PL isn't bad like limit. I just prefer to multitable limit.

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The rake for 2/4 where I am clearing the bonus is 4.7BB/100, with RB + Bonus taken into consideration the rake is at 2.2BB/100 (this is 5max tables), FWIW Stars rake 6max at 2/4 is 2.6BB/100 with no bonus. Paradise 3/6 5max is 2.75BB/100 with no bonus.

This is a [censored] joke, add this to fact that i'm running [censored] horribly I'm quite pissed off.

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play some NO LIMIT there.

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thats good to here

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I don't/won't play there without a bonus to clear or rb.

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That's definitely a good idea, although I'm wondering if it's even worth it with a bonus to clear.

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Well, if you play full ring, the rake schedule isn't going to hurt you, especially if you win a lot less pots than the average player. Since bonus clearing is directly proportional to rake, it is easy to determine your rakeback percentage for a bonus. For a 7x bonus, if you win 10% of hands at a 10-handed table, you get 100% rakeback. Since most of us here win a lot less than 10% of hands, you actually get > 100% rakeback at 7x. I win about 6-7% of pots, and I think I figured that any bonus up to about 11 or 12x points is 100% rakeback. So, rake 10c or $10 out of the pot, as long as you are getting 100% or more of it back, it doesn't hurt.

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I'm paying about 6BB/100 in rake at their 5-max games at 3/6

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Okay, I'm not accusing you of intentionally lying or being disengenious (I want to be clear about that), but are you sure? Perhaps you made an error somehow, punched a number in wrong when using a calculator... something. I know thier rake is insane for online poker (which is why I don't play there) but this seems too outrageous.

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I'd be the first one to disagree with my rake paid numbers. I can show you the numbers I came up with if you want to PM me.

Also, consider the rake numbers at very low limits at party. I'm pretty sure at .5/1 6-max you pay approximately 7BB/100 in rake, and at 1/2 I think it's a bit less but still very high.

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I'm also working on this bonus on this horrible network's rake schedual. With the $600 bonus, I'm wondering what the net rake is. Has anyone worked this out?

But just to bitch some more about how bad it is there.. On pokerroomrake.com, it says that at $3-$6 is maxed at $3. It goes from a rake of $1.20 @ $30 (not bad), to $3.00 @ $35 (god awful). Most rooms rake more incrementally. For instance, PartyPooper takes out $1.50 @ $35 and $3.00 @ $60, with increments of $0.50 in between.

I probably won't be playing there after I clear the bonus.

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Thaks alot for that site listing different rake structures. I hadn't seen that before and it is very, very informative to say the least.

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I'd agree about the rake numbers at the lower limits on potty poker. I was making more from rakeback playing at those levels than I was from the game, especially 1/2.
However, I beat .5/1 for 4BB/100 in spite of the rake because it was so soft.

When thinking about Eurotrash and the hideous rake there these days, I think it is going to come down to trade offs.
I saw the softest $3/6 game I have witnessed online this weekend. There was something like a 62% VPIP and a relatively low avg pot. So it was loose and passive. Snuggly fuzzy cuddly soft. I have never seen anything like that in the 3/6 realm of Potty EVER.

So what you have to take into account is the beatablity of the games and balance that against the rake taking out the rakeback and bonus $. You may pay more to do it, but you beat the game for more than you would playing tighter tables and paying less rake. I bet there are only a very few players capable of accepting those tradeoffs.

Bottom line, I'm going to have to have a couple months time there before I can come to any conclusions. I suspect however, that the taking out rakeback, I'm going to be pretty satisfied that the new situation is worth my while, especially if I find the games to be consistently soft.

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quiet you...

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Just to add my two cents...I play short-handed mainly these days, but refuse to do so on this network, because the rake really is that bad.

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Just to add my two cents...I play short-handed mainly these days, but refuse to do so on this network, because the rake really is that bad.

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limit or NL?

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Just to add my two cents...I play short-handed mainly these days, but refuse to do so on this network, because the rake really is that bad.

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As long as you don't stray below 5/10, it shouldn't be a problem.

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Moderators will wipe this link soon because it links to competitive forum but some of you will be able to read it while it's here:
http://www.internettexasholdem.com/p...n-vt30145.html
Guy doing that post seems delaying to put some new stats there - there are some new blocks at technical thread where stats by posters are accumulated.