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#'s from pokerpulse. I know alot of companies who would love to have a yearly growth as high as online poker's monthly growth.

# of online players and month over month growth.

September 2004/ 1,235,000/ 10.3%
October 2004/ 1,344,000/ 10.2%
November 2004/ 1,437,000/ 7.1%
December 2004/ 1,622,000/ 11.3%
January 2005/ 1,784,000/ 9.9%

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Neat. I've been looking for these numbers. Any chance someone has these numbers for the rest of 2004 and 2003?

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Wow, those are some big numbers. Out of curiousity does anyone have what they feel is a good guess to who all these new people signing up are? Specifically do you think there more college aged kids signing up or middle aged men if you had to guess? Obviously many of both, but which one is higher?

Mike Emery

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People 8-tabling instead of 4 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Lori

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Ding, ding, we have a winner.

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I see more bad players than ever, both multitablers and recreational players.

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Active players are defined as real money players who have made a balance movement on their account in the current or preceding two quarters.

Pokerpulse then takes the amount of players at Paradise and applies a multiplier based on a percentage of active online players in the online community.

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I don't know if someone who played 10 hands some 5 months ago should really be considered an 'active' player.

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The important thing Bob is it is comparing apples to apples. They are counting the same way and the important thing isn't the #, but probably rate of growth.

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Lori

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No, we sure don't. Most sites don't let you 8-table, and attributing monthly growth of 10% to the tiny percentage of people who can:

a) successfully set up a second account on another skin

b) play > 4 tables, and do

is rediculous.

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a) successfully set up a second account on another skin

b) play > 4 tables, and do

is rediculous.


As I posted a couple of days back, there are already more people registered at 2+2 than play on Party at prime time.

I'm not sure why it's such a silly concept.

Also you can 8-table without playing just one site.

Lori

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I generally agree Buster. I don't think it's a bunch of 8-tablers.

but I do think some of the increase in numbers obviously has to be attributed to current online players setting up an account at a new site (not a skin).

The topic of online-poker came up in a B&M game a month or two and the two guys were chatting about it as if they only play on 1 or 2 sites. "Oh...I hadn't really heard of paradisepoker...do they have a sign-up bonus...maybe I'll try over there. All I've ever played is pokerstars. I like their tournaments."
Stuff like that.

Add in a few pseudo-bonuswhores as well as current players with accounts currently at 3 sites finally deciding to see how they like UB or pokerroom or something and I think that HAS to be considered when discussing these numbers.


It does fell like there are more and more new and distinct players coming onto the sites...but it is kind of difficult to tell just by these numbers how many new and distinct individual players are coming to online-poker.

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What does that have to do with anything? You are comparing registrations to active players, which is not a fair comparison. I guarantee Party has at least 5 times as many registered accounts as 2+2. Still, it's absolutely absurd to attribute the majority of that growth to multi-tablers.

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Still, it's absolutely absurd to attribute the majority of that growth to multi-tablers.

I remember when you could go a day without someone mentioning a brown trout. These days it happens several times a day.

It may not be the majority, but it's a factor.

Lori

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Bob I do agree with you here. I am just trying to avoid the mentality that a lot of people get into here where just because we (2+2) see it a lot, means that it happens a lot. Among poker players, we are still a very small fraction.

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Among poker players, we are still a very small fraction.

How small would you say, as I think this is where we differ.

I'd go for 10-15% of regular players read here at least once per day.

I only three-table, but it's not rare for me to be talking to 2+2ers at every one of my tables.

Lori

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I never see it and I 8 table.

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I wonder if it's limit dependent?

Lori

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of regular players? I'd say an very optimistic number would be 5%.

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of regular players? I'd say an very optimistic number would be 5%.

Okay, that's quite possible and would make a big difference to my thoughts.

Lori

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Well we have no way of pinpointing any type of accurate number here. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Still, I do think that online poker is experiencing some healthy growth. Do you?

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Still, I do think that online poker is experiencing some healthy growth. Do you?

I just had a hard think about this, as there seems to be lively debate about this on a regular basis:

Yes.

I think that some of the "old school" posters have seen bigger explosions than 10% per month, and that is where the "Sky is falling" attitude seems to come from (from people such as myself)

It's a slowdown in growth rather than going backwards that comes from the fact we saw ridiculous growth at the start of the EPT and are now only experiencing very good growth.
Some of the older (in internet poker terms) have witnessed growth so large that we'll never see it again, and I suspect that messes with our (whoever 'our' might be, but I'm one of them) instincts as to how poker is still exploding.

Also 10% of 1,000,000 is bigger than 100% of 50,000 so, again, it may be a misplaced feeling there too.

Edit: WPT of course [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img], I'm english , forgive me.

Lori

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i have set up new accounts at empire, multipoker, pokernow, intertops, pacific, and doyles room. in the month of Jan. alone. thats 6 new people

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i saw an article where they claim to have a million accounts. i don't know if that is true but for sure party has way more than 120,000 registered accts. i'd guess they have 40 times as many at least.

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Yes...but of these regsitered accounts how many are actually 'real-money' accounts. And how many have been generally inactive for the past several months by people who gave it a try and got bored of it?


Obviously within their 1-million registered accounts there are a lot of no-shows and play-money players in there.

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Obviously within their 1-million registered accounts there are a lot of no-shows and play-money players in there.

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Same thing goes for the registered accounts at 2+2.

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As I posted a couple of days back, there are already more people registered at 2+2 than play on Party at prime time.



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How many of those users are still active, and when is the last time we had 65k users logged on at the same time here at 2+2?

We are still a small fraction of poker base, however, it is possible that the 2+2 community might be growing faster (percentage wise) than some of the larger sites now. I have no idea what the numbers are so I can't say.

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How many of those users are still active, and when is the last time we had 65k users logged on at the same time here at 2+2?

Although I take your point, last time I looked (either one or two days ago, it's in a thread somewhere) Party was at about 18500 real money seats at peak, and I think you can give an average of 2 seats per player, which takes it further down to about 10k.

Compare that to the 528 on here right now, and this is several hours short of peak time, and you'll see where I got my 10-15% from.

Lori

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Same thing goes for the registered accounts at 2+2.

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Seriously. We have so many trolls, and gimmick accounts, I'd be surprised if we have more than 7k-8k even semi-regular contributors.

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Lori, where can i find numbers like this? is this a pokerpulse thing? i see 60,000 logged on now and i am curious if that is only for party and how to see how many of them are real money. i don't have any skins installed so i can't even see if the 60,000 includes those. i'm going to finally DL empire tomorrow but i was just curious and can't cross check.

thx

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I got those from pokerpulse.

I admit I didn't include tourneys, which is actually probably a similar number, and I haven't read their selection methods.

Buster's 5% is starting to look better to be honest.

On 2+2 you can find from "Who's online" the number of registered and unregistered users.

Lori

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ok, thanks. i think pokerpulse is confusing but i have not really given it a long look.

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Just looked again.

Tourney players is a little higher than ring players, so for the third time this week, I suck.

Lori

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Then take into account the number of people who read here, but to be honest aren't the greatest players in the world or are just starting out. I do think that Busters 5% is a very optimistic number.

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If you stick to the #RP figure for each site, that's the number of ring game players at the time that you look.

All the rest becomes easy if you start with that one.

Lori

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ok, that makes sense now.

wow, confusion gone. ty

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Then take into account the number of people who read here, but to be honest aren't the greatest players in the world or are just starting out. I do think that Busters 5% is a very optimistic number.

At the time of this post:

574 people reading 2+2
14578 ring game seats occupied at Party/Skins
18936 tourney game seats occupied at Party/Skins.

We could debate all night about the average tables/player but I think around 2 is fair, as even many casual players play 2 tables.

This doesn't fall massively short of the 5% figure, but of course not all 2+2ers play Party.

Lori

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Dare I ask what the first two times were?

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How many of those users are still active, and when is the last time we had 65k users logged on at the same time here at 2+2?

We are still a small fraction of poker base, however, it is possible that the 2+2 community might be growing faster (percentage wise) than some of the larger sites now. I have no idea what the numbers are so I can't say.

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As of now (7 PM Eastern), we have 560 people on the site.

Note that these numbers include a large percentage of non-registered people.

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Dare I ask what the first two times were?

One was a skewed sample of people that I know who have stopped watching poker on tv compared to those who started (Although a lot of people started again last night after a few IM's got sent) [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

The other was thinking that it was just one Prima skin running the channel 226 live show games.

Edit: I'll go back to researching and thinking before I post, it worked better that way.

Lori