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imported_leader 12-14-2005 04:25 AM

3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
SB: 50/20/1.7 over 120

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

I don't have much respect for this move from this type of player.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero's plan?

LoaferGee12 12-14-2005 04:29 AM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
given this
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I don't have much respect for this move from this type of player.

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I'd probably call the flop and raise the turn. Good chance your hand is ahead, and you want him to fold that 6-outer on the turn. Hell, he may even fold a better hand like A9 or so.

12-14-2005 05:52 AM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
I don't think players like this fold to raises. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

(in general)

thesharpie 12-14-2005 06:51 AM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
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I don't think players like this fold to raises. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

(in general)

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While he's not often folding a better hand, we either get an extra BB out of him or force him to fold his 6 outer if he's the type to not fire 3 barrels. I think he does though so I'd probably just call it down.

POKhER 12-14-2005 07:22 AM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
Call the flop and see what the turn brings.

zephed 12-14-2005 05:01 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
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given this
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I don't have much respect for this move from this type of player.

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I'd probably call the flop and raise the turn. Good chance your hand is ahead, and you want him to fold that 6-outer on the turn. Hell, he may even fold a better hand like A9 or so.

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I don't think a tricky player like this is going to fold ace-high. He knows that he gets weird responses because of his tricky play, and will go to showdown with weaker hands.

You are going to be 3-bet on this turn a lot. Easy fold, but you can spend the same amount of BB's and see a showdown. Our hand is weak, but it is a good hand to snap off crap with. Let him hang himself.

LoaferGee12 12-14-2005 06:32 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
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given this
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I don't have much respect for this move from this type of player.

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I'd probably call the flop and raise the turn. Good chance your hand is ahead, and you want him to fold that 6-outer on the turn. Hell, he may even fold a better hand like A9 or so.

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I don't think a tricky player like this is going to fold ace-high. He knows that he gets weird responses because of his tricky play, and will go to showdown with weaker hands.

You are going to be 3-bet on this turn a lot. Easy fold, but you can spend the same amount of BB's and see a showdown. Our hand is weak, but it is a good hand to snap off crap with. Let him hang himself.

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I'm not saying he's folding A-hi. I'm saying that he doesn't have A-hi here pretty often and thus, we have him beat.

toss 12-14-2005 07:27 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
Villains seems LAG. My default line is to get to showdown as cheaply as possible postflop. Do I need a new line?

KDawgCometh 12-14-2005 07:32 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
1, I don't like the raise PF. A3o is just way too weak to make this raise with IMO. If you had a hand like A7o+ or A3s+ then make the raise. against this villian, I just call him down as long as the board stays cool

Redd 12-14-2005 08:34 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
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Villains seems LAG. My default line is to get to showdown as cheaply as possible postflop. Do I need a new line?

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I certainly don't think so; I think people are overestimating the value in a turn raise here. Even against a LAG's hand range we're not fantastic here, especially because we risk 2 bets to gain 1 (since we're both going to showdown anyways, and many better hands are 3-betting the turn).

In general, I try to get to showdown cheaply with my marginal hands against LAGs, and go balls to the wall with decent hands. I don't think we can consider this hand anything but marginal unless we improve.

toss 12-14-2005 09:45 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
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go balls to the wall

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I'm going to be repeat this phrase outloud over and over again everytime I find a top or second pair against a LAG. Its so catchy.

Redeye 12-14-2005 10:12 PM

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I'd probably call the flop and raise the turn. Good chance your hand is ahead, and you want him to fold that 6-outer on the turn. Hell, he may even fold a better hand like A9 or so.

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Go calculate the value of folding a 6-outer in a pot this big. You'll be suprised what you find. Additionally, putting that many bets to accomplish that is even worse. If you feel you are ahead that often, call down. I'm not sure if it is worth bothering with however.

istewart 12-14-2005 10:55 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
I think calling down is best like some others have said. If you try and get crafty vs. this player with a turn raise he'll 3-bet you with tons of stuff and you'll be in a really sticky spot.

LoaferGee12 12-14-2005 11:16 PM

Re: 3/6: A3o Blind battle
 
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I'd probably call the flop and raise the turn. Good chance your hand is ahead, and you want him to fold that 6-outer on the turn. Hell, he may even fold a better hand like A9 or so.

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Go calculate the value of folding a 6-outer in a pot this big. You'll be suprised what you find. Additionally, putting that many bets to accomplish that is even worse. If you feel you are ahead that often, call down. I'm not sure if it is worth bothering with however.

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Well the plan would be to take the free showdown thus putting in the same amount of bets as calling down. However, the possibility of a 3-bet or a river donk does make this less optimal.


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