Caro:\"In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!\"
 

Bluff Magazine: Mike Caro's column: WISDOM, improve your game p.96.

"In poker, math is meaningless..." Mike Caro.

Sure once in a while it comes in handy he says but really it is meaningless. I am posting this here on David, Mathman, Sklansky and Mason, almost as mathy, Malmuth's forum to show them just how wrong they are about poker. I mean after all Caro is Doyle's poker consultant. So there!

Vince

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it's not meaningless...however, it isn't everything there is to know about poker, or mathematicians would be winning the WSOP every year....(or some kids from MIT)

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it's not meaningless...however, it isn't everything there is to know about poker, or mathematicians would be winning the WSOP every year....(or some kids from MIT)

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You just proved it is all math by your example. Think about it.....

Re: Caro:\"In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!\"
 

Every sound decision in poker is based on math, whether Caro is consciously thinking about it at the table or not.

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Why do I think this statement was takin completely out of context?

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When is the last time a mathemitician or Kid from MIT won the WSOP?

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Yeah, that and you spell "potato" with an e on the end simply because Dan Quayle thinks so.

Mike Caro is a fine player, and he has his style. That doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. Sklansky isn't a consistent winner by just babbling nonsense.

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babbling nonsense.

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babbling nonsense.

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I thought that bore repeating.

Vince

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When is the last time a mathemitician or Kid from MIT won the WSOP?

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did you mis-read what i said or can i just not see the emphasis on WHEN WAS....?

Re: Caro:\"In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!\"
 

Strictly speaking, mathematics is nothing more than a language.

Poker involves thinking..that's all that needs to be said.

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Dr. Christopher Ferguson says: "People who think math isn't important in poker, do not know the right math."

Now, I know Mr. Caro's hairstyle and personality earn him a lot of followers, however, doesn't the Dr. have a few more bracelets than the personable Mr. Caro, not to mention a much higher level of intelligence? (No offense to Mr. Caro)

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Why do I think this statement was takin completely out of context?

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It is theoretically possible that after many out-of-context quotes, Vincent Letroll finally repeated one in context. It's just improbable.

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Bluff Magazine: Mike Caro's column: WISDOM, improve your game p.96.

"In poker, math is meaningless..." Mike Caro.

Vince

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Why do I suspect that those ellipses represent omitted text that would make this quote actually make sense?

Caro's site has math all over it, his tables are in SuperSystem for God's sake.

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When is the last time a mathemitician or Kid from MIT won the WSOP?

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did you mis-read what i said or can i just not see the emphasis on WHEN WAS....?

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Yeah I misread what you said, sorry

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Why do I think this statement was takin completely out of context?

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Maybe you have a problem when it comes to thinking?
Just a guess.

Vince

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Vincent Letroll

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Is this retaliation for showing you up in your specialty on the probability forum, or is it more likely that you are as I first thought a big mouth scumbag? Please be specific.

Vince

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Vincent Letroll

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Is this retaliation for showing you up in your specialty on the probability forum,


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You didn't show me up. You exposed your ignorance of undergraduate-level probability, though you might not understand the discussion. You made repeated false statements, and claimed that you "stood by your words," but you refused offers by me and by Alex/Mugaaz to bet real money on whether the statements where we disagreed with you were correct. I'm still willing to bet.

Here are some of your false statements (typos etc. left as in the original):

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] "The cap on betting is the reason that the martingdale system cannot work."

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] "While it is true that there is no one with an infinite bankroll it is also true that there are people with bankrolls large enough to beat a casino with a doubling up system that is given a large number of double ups."

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] "that is close enough to %100 in my favor as to be accepted as the expected result."

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] "The fact is that the only way to clasiify a game as a negative EV game is to do so by using an infiite number of Trials...when the pass line is evaluated in the Game of craps that to show that it is a -EV bet one must use an infinite number of trials."

Again, everyone stipulates that a martingale system might work in some sense if you have an infinite bankroll, but that no one has an infinite bankroll. Where we disagree is the statements you have made about finite bankrolls and buying in to a real poker table with a finite number of chips.

You were called an idiot in the Mid-High Stakes NL forum and told to go look up the math behind the martingale. You asked for a second opinion in the Probability forum, and were told again that you don't understand the math behind the martingale.

Now you have quoted a respected authority out of context to try to start another contentless argument (whose resolution will involve restoring the context), as you have done many times in the past. (I'm not the only one who has pointed out that this is a habit of yours.) You are abusing the trust of those who assume that you might be quoting people in context. You are a troll.

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You are a troll.

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Don't worry I won't be trolling anymore of your garbage filled name calling threads. You are ignored.

Vince

Re: Caro:\"In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!\"
 

Hi Vince:

I beat you to it and already posted the quote on our books forum.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Why do I suspect that those ellipses represent omitted text that would make this quote actually make sense?

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Maybe because you are a fool?

Caro's point is that in poker Math is meaningless and psychology is everything, plain and simple.

Vince

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The 2002 WSOP champion, Robert Varkonyi, has a degree in Computer Science from MIT. There is a lot of math involved in a CS major.

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The 2002 WSOP champion, Robert Varkonyi, has a degree in Computer Science from MIT. There is a lot of math involved in a CS major.

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I have a degree in Computer Science from MIT also. And I didn't win any WSOP tournaments.. not even one of the smaller ones.

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The 2002 WSOP champion, Robert Varkonyi, has a degree in Computer Science from MIT. There is a lot of math involved in a CS major.

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I have a degree in Computer Science from MIT also. And I didn't win any WSOP tournaments.. not even one of the smaller ones.

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Like I've always said, I'll wipe my ass with any degree or diploma of anyone who doesn't appreciate what they've learned about Math. Math is the mother of all subjects. Math makes you think faster and more accurately. There is math involved in almost every aspect of your life. The better you are in math the better you will be in every aspect of your life which could mean a significant improvement in your poker skills, however, remeber that poker also includes a bit of psicology and discipline.

so whomever quoted: "In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!" is just mad at him/herself for not being good at either one. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

From a high school graduate, currently working as a Manager.

Think again!!! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Caro:\"In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!\"
 

Knowing an opponent's mannerisms doesnt give you odds to hit your flush draw. That is all.

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so whomever quoted: "In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!" is just mad at him/herself for not being good at either one.

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I haven't read the article but I highly doubt Mike Caro is frustrated at being no good at math and poker.

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Bluff Magazine: Mike Caro's column: WISDOM, improve your game p.96.

"In poker, math is meaningless..." Mike Caro.

Sure once in a while it comes in handy he says but really it is meaningless.

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I hope you realize that Caro is right. Math is meaningless without context, which is something that *alot* of 2+2er's seem to miss even if they claim they dont.

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I have a degree in Computer Science from MIT also

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Everyone knows that Computer Science has nothing to do with Math. In fact it might be more appropriate to call the degree a "Fuzzy Logic" degree. Besides everyone also knows that computer scientists are verifiably insane and inane or just plain mundane. That's why they are good at poker, they understand crazy people. Yes, a computer scientist that is good at poker just might prove Caro right. "Psychology is everything." (LoL) Oh...MIT... good school, lousy football team.

Vince

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Strong knowledge of math is a must
To keep you from going bust
But experts agree
That psychology
Is how they all make their living off Gus

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Everyone knows that Computer Science has nothing to do with Math...computer scientists are verifiably insane and inane or just plain mundane

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Though I appreciate the alliteration I'm pretty sure you are absolutely wrong. Computer science is a very math intensive degree, and for the most part having a computer science degree doesn't affect ones mental stability.

Re: Caro:\"In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!\"
 

In 2+2, quoting articles without context is MEANINGLESS!

Re: Caro:\"In Poker, Math is MEANINGLESS!\"
 

Okay, friend, I'm not going to insult you here. I'd just strongly suggest you actually make an argument next time, rather than just stating a conclusion undefended. I defy you to disprove me on reasonable terms.

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You're going to have to do better than insult a major to prove a point. I use math almost every day in computer science -- think of game programming. How are you supposed to define an object's position, line of sight, gravity, you name it, without numbers? Literally everything to do with computers can be described with numbers and math.

Give me a reason to take you seriously, please.

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"I haven't read the article but I highly doubt Mike Caro is frustrated at being no good at math and poker"

Correct. What he is frustrated about is that the math oriented books that Mason, his former student, puts out, makes Mason at least ten times as much money as Mike's book royalties.

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Everyone knows that Computer Science has nothing to do with Math. In fact it might be more appropriate to call the degree a "Fuzzy Logic" degree. Besides everyone also knows that computer scientists are verifiably insane and inane or just plain mundane. That's why they are good at poker, they understand crazy people. Yes, a computer scientist that is good at poker just might prove Caro right. "Psychology is everything."

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I hope you're just trying to be a jackass and don't think this is true....and by the way

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(LoL) Oh...MIT... good school, lousy football team.

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Not funny.