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jj_frap 06-11-2005 11:39 AM

My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
Militant left-libertarian secularist, and enemy of China, America, Russia, Naziism, Stalinism, and theocracy.

Kurn, son of Mogh 06-11-2005 11:48 AM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
*Militant* and *libertarian* are contradictory.

MMMMMM 06-11-2005 01:42 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
"Militant" suggests a lack of respect for others, and a good chance that you are a nutcase.

Felix_Nietsche 06-11-2005 02:53 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
I left the libertarians because they don't win elections. Many libertarians have joined the Repubs and formed the Liberty Caucus whose goal is to shift the Repub platform to greater freedom.

Felix_Nietsche 06-11-2005 02:57 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
"Militant" suggests a lack of respect for others, and a good chance that you are a nutcase.
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Teddy Rooselvelt said "Speak softly and carry a big stick". The big stick referred to the military. He could also be argued he was a proponent of "gunboat diplomacy".

Do you consider Teddy R. a nutcase?

masse75 06-11-2005 03:02 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
No, I consider him dead.

MMMMMM 06-11-2005 03:49 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
Er, Felix...I am presuming a distinction of some sort between "militant" as relates to an individual, and "military" as relates to a country's armed forces. Also, I didn't get the impression that the original poster was using the term in the conventional military sense.

I think most "militants" (not meaning members of the official armed services) are probably nutcases.

What does a "Militant Leftist Libertarian" do, exactly? Are they anything like Militants Environmentalists, but different in what they choose as targets for sabotage? Now you've got me wondering.

HtotheNootch 06-11-2005 04:12 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
"That government is best which governs the least."

- Thomas f'n Jefferson (although some attribute it to Thomas Paine)

johnc 06-11-2005 05:59 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
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I left the libertarians because they don't win elections. Many libertarians have joined the Repubs and formed the Liberty Caucus whose goal is to shift the Repub platform to greater freedom.

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Good luck on that (or the Democrats for that matter). I personally don't trust either party any further than I could throw a loaded cement truck.

andyfox 06-11-2005 06:02 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
"Do you consider Teddy R. a nutcase?"

In many ways, in foreign policy, yes, in the sense that he was a racist jingoist.

jj_frap 06-11-2005 07:01 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
By militant, I mean that I am steadfast in my ideology and willing to evangelise it.

As for left-libertarian, think of certain factions of the NDP and Bloc Quebecois here in Canada, left-wing Hong Kong politician Leung Kwok-hung, Czechoslovak dissident Aleksandr Dubcek (No love for the Soviets on my part.), Bob Brown and the Aussie Greens, Spanish President Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the Scottish Socialist Party, a few fringe radical parties in France, etc...

MMMMMM 06-11-2005 08:13 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
OK, well thanks for the clarification.

It sounds to me like you are an "activist" rather than a "militant"--I've always thought of "militant" as associated with some degree of violence, or threat of violence...

player24 06-11-2005 08:22 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
I find it strange that your hatred does not extend to radical Islamist?

Kurn, son of Mogh 06-11-2005 11:53 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
Socialism is the antithesis of freedom. True freedom is only possible within the framework of free market capitalism.

LargeCents 06-12-2005 12:54 AM

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Socialism is the antithesis of freedom. True freedom is only possible within the framework of free market capitalism.



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True freedom in a capitalist system is only possible when you are capital rich. True economic slavery is possible within an pure capitalistic system.

How many times do I have to reiterate that systems have no regard to the human condition? A social system is simply a model for distribution of power. Why should the wealthy elite have all of the power? Capitalism puts all of the power in the hands of the wealthy.

The U.S. was framed as a capitalist system. The framers were the economic elite. Funny we never ever questioned the gospel which was so obviously self-serving. We emancipated the slaves, we liberated the women, constitutionally. Why can't we set the working poor free?! Because that would collapse the slave-master system of the ruling elite. The only ones to complain are the ones too stupid/broken/voiceless to complain. The U.S. is more totalitarian than anyone seems to realize, and it is only getting worse.

Kurn, son of Mogh 06-12-2005 09:55 AM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
True freedom in a capitalist system is only possible when you are capital rich.

If this were true, then a person born hillbilly poor in the Ozarks would have no future other than to be poor his whole life. H. Ross Perot disproves that.

Have an idea. Start your own business. That's economic freedom.

superleeds 06-12-2005 11:31 AM

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True freedom is only possible within the framework of free market capitalism

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You are not free to opt out. True freedom does not exist.

Warchant88 06-12-2005 11:54 AM

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But it sure as hell won't happen in a socialist state.

Zeno 06-12-2005 12:21 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
RAMONES LYRICS

"I Don't Want To Grow Up"

When I'm lyin' in my bed at night
I don't wanna grow up
Nothing ever seems to turn out right
I don't wanna grow up

How do you move in a world of fog that's
always changing things
Makes wish that I could be a dog
When I see the price that you pay
I don't wanna grow up
I don't ever want to be that way
I don't wanna grow up

Seems that folks turn into things
that they never want
The only thing to live for is today...
I'm gonna put a hole in my T.V. set
I don't wanna grow up
Open up the medicine chest
I don't wanna grow up

I don't wanna have to shout it out
I don't want my hair to fall out
I don't wanna be filled with doubt
I don't wanna be a good boy scout
I don't wanna have to learn to count
I don't wanna have the biggest amount
I don't wanna grow up

Well when I see my parents fight
I don't wanna grow up
They all go out and drinkin all night
I don't wanna grow up
I'd rather stay here in my room
Nothin' out there but sad and gloom
I don't wanna live in a big old tomb on grand street

When I see the 5 oclock news
I don't wanna grow up
Comb their hair and shine their shoes
I don't wanna grow up
Stay around in my old hometown
I don't wanna put no money down
I don't wanna get a big old loan
Work them fingers to the bone
I don't wanna float on a broom
Fall in love, get married then boom
How the hell did it get here so soon
I don't wanna grow up


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LargeCents 06-12-2005 03:57 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
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True freedom in a capitalist system is only possible when you are capital rich.

If this were true, then a person born hillbilly poor in the Ozarks would have no future other than to be poor his whole life. H. Ross Perot disproves that.

Have an idea. Start your own business. That's economic freedom.



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It took him a lifetime to do it, and only then did he have any power. I suppose capitalstic democracy allows an opportunity to change social class, but it is far and few between. For ever H. Ross Perot, there are thousands of failed attempts.

lehighguy 06-12-2005 04:30 PM

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All systems will result in winners and losers. Even communism has winners and losers (and boy do the losers lose). The goal is not to try and eliminate the winners/losers relationship (which will always exist), but to make it as fair and efficient as possible.

LargeCents 06-12-2005 09:07 PM

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All systems will result in winners and losers. Even communism has winners and losers (and boy do the losers lose). The goal is not to try and eliminate the winners/losers relationship (which will always exist), but to make it as fair and efficient as possible.

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The best system is the least corruptable system. It is the biggest leak in the political system game. "fairness", "efficiency" mean nothing if the fairness and efficiency benefits flow directly into the hands of the corrupt.

Historically, politicians and leaders have designed their own system for their own self-fulfilling promotion. Corruption is built into every system currently in place due to this fact. We've got smart enough people at this time and age in human history. Design a system that is uncorruptable! The rest is purely academic.

fimbulwinter 06-12-2005 09:08 PM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
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Militant left-libertarian secularist, and enemy of China, America, Russia, Naziism, Stalinism, and theocracy.

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you forgot "tard"

fim

MMMMMM 06-13-2005 12:09 AM

Re: My political philosophy in a nutshell...
 
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I suppose capitalstic democracy allows an opportunity to change social class, but it is far and few between.

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And what evidence do you have to back up this assertion, may it be asked?


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