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No reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>,

planning on folding to a 3bet and firing any river. anyone like it?

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no

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That's digusting.

An unknown BB (PRF) was facing 2 back to him on the flop and capped it?? Unless BB is a complete mongoloid, you are only ahead of king high diamonds here.

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Hands like these always look really stupid. Most of them are stupid. Some of them are okay. In order for this to actually work, you need BB to fold his QJ, KJ, QQ, KK. Maybe. You also need CO to be on a weaker J/flush draw. Maybe. But you also have a couple outs worth of pot equity. And the pot is massive.

With reads I think this can be okay. It really hinges on BB being capable of laying down. There are a ton of players who are calling KJ down in this spot. CO doesn't worry me much.

Krishan

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ew...? this looks like me when i have on idea what to do on the turn. i ticker down to 0 and close my eyes and hit a button.

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No reads, no like.

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i think your most likely behind both players and they will both either call you or you will be 3bet by BB.
I think its pretty terrible barring a read that BB will fold a better hand and CO is a gutshot chaser

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No reads, no like.

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ok, this response is stupid... no reads !! blahblashblah, this small stakes limit holdem, i could beat it weariing as blindfold.

soldier, this looks like not a good idea.. ive played a ton of hands in this game the past couple days, the BB always calls down w/ QJ... if u called this "v aggressive value betting w/ TJ," id trust you, but no1 folds the winner here, they are too stupid and they have seen too many inane plays at the pot...

the only way i raise turn is when BB is stupid enough that i will def have to call it down... if u can fold comfortably, just let it go.

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That's digusting.

An unknown BB (PRF) was facing 2 back to him on the flop and capped it?? Unless BB is a complete mongoloid, you are only ahead of king high diamonds here.

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usually when the title contains the word "bluff" the poster does not think they were ahead.

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That's digusting.

An unknown BB (PRF) was facing 2 back to him on the flop and capped it?? Unless BB is a complete mongoloid, you are only ahead of king high diamonds here.

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usually when the title contains the word "bluff" the poster does not think they were ahead.

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hi nl,

i think you should leave bluffing out of your arsenal at 10/20, especially when its quite clear your opponents have pairs. nobody folds.

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Hands like these always look really stupid. Most of them are stupid. Some of them are okay. In order for this to actually work, you need BB to fold his QJ, KJ, QQ, KK. Maybe. You also need CO to be on a weaker J/flush draw. Maybe. But you also have a couple outs worth of pot equity. And the pot is massive.

With reads I think this can be okay. It really hinges on BB being capable of laying down. There are a ton of players who are calling KJ down in this spot. CO doesn't worry me much.

Krishan

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This was my line of thinking.

I really thought I could get BB to fold one of those hands a decent amount of the time. Apperently you guys dont think so, and based on his calldown with KJ I guess you guys are right [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I did this exact same thing lastnight......except it wasnt with poker chips, and it ended up all over her ta ta's

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usually when the title contains the word "bluff" the poster does not think they were ahead.

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Yes, this is true, and from now on I intend to start reading the titles.

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I did this exact same thing lastnight......except it wasnt with poker chips, and it ended up all over her ta ta's

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hahahahaha

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definately think this is spewage and you are gonna lose this hand without a river miracle. i'd check/fold the turn fo sho.

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I lol'ed

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You need to have stats on BB that say his WtSD is like 29 to make this work for you.

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I'm late, but no. Just no. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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so this is what causes those big downswings?

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As a changeup, I think it has merit. You may well fold KK / QQ in the BB and get it heads up with a weaker hand / draw, which would be a huge gain. You are going to call anyways, may as well throw in the extra BB and really throw a monkey wrench into this hand.

Any hand worth a call is conceivably worth a raise...

I don't know about your plan to fire any river though. If the BB doesn't give up and you see the river 3-ways, that is a real desperation play to fire again.

good luck.
eric

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oddly, I'd expect KJ to calldown much more often then QQ or KK, for the simple reason that they can call the turn with the right odds to draw out on an ace, so they only have to make 1 real crying call. If they hold QQ, then the reverse implied odds starts to make a difference, as they know they cannot come back if they are currently behind.

my 2 cents.
eric