Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

Seems like I could have saved a bet on 5th.
7 Card Stud High-Low ($5/$10), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $2 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls

4th Street - (4.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___folds

5th Street - (6.85 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls

6th Street - (10.85 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (12.85 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

Total pot: (14.85 BB)

Results:
Total pot $148.50 | Rake $3

Seat 1: [5s 5d 5h 6d 2c 6c Kc] (HI: a full house, Fives full of Sixes)

Hero: [As 2d 2h Ac Qd Kd 3c]

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

I like checking 5th. If he bricks on 6th, bet out. If not, check/call it down.

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

Sometimes I play 3rd, sometimes I dont. I play fourth the same, but crap my pants when he caps it. I would check-call down from 5th on.

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

Betting 5th doesn't make sense. A bet will go in anyway and it looks like you're chopping and he might have redraw to scoop (in which case you get raised). I'm checking here. I learned that the expensive way.

Jeff

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

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I like checking 5th. If he bricks on 6th, bet out. If not, check/call it down.

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You will be raised 99.99999% of the time on fifth

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

I wouldn't be so concerned that he caps it, it appears he's just jamming against the other low. I agree with your assessment from 5th on, though.

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

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You will be raised 99.99999% of the time on fifth

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Have you heard that 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Jeff

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

Did you make that one up lol?

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

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I wouldn't be so concerned that he caps it, it appears he's just jamming against the other low.

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Keep in mind our board shows A2 so our opponent has to be concerned that we may have a better low draw. This is of course based partly on table image, and our read of the villian. Best case scenerio we are HU with a hand like A256 and we are basically 50-50 in the pot. Worst case scenerio we are up against 666 or in this case 555 and are almost a 4-1 dog. This is pretty player dependent, but against players who arent going donkey crazy I would imagine this is the likely scenerio(either coin flip or big dog). I would also imagine that if our opponent bricked on 5th and we bet out and were raised that higher level stud8 players would be able to find a fold against certain opponents. I am calling down everytime...but I also dont think I am that good.

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

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This is pretty player dependent, but against players who arent going donkey crazy...

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I have to admit that I had this player pegged as a donk. I wanted to punish them if they had paired and were still drawing to a low. Unfortunate in this situtaion is the fact that donks are rolled up just as often as the rest of us.
Thanks to everyone who responded.

Re: Stud8, anyone get away any cheaper than this?
 

OK, if the other guy is thinking at all, he has to realize that you may have a wheel draw, so if he's jamming a low draw, it's probably one with some high possibilities. If it happens to be 6543, well, that Deuce just hit him right between the eyes. Obviously, he doesn't have to have the straight, but that Deuce should give you pause. Since you can account for two other Deuces, it is very unlikely that the Deuce paired him, so he will be free-rolling on you a significant percentage of the time. As it turns out, he actually had a better high hand than yours, which is even worse for you. Occasionally, someone will be jamming with a worse two pair, but on balance, this isn't a great situation. Time to go into chicken-call mode.