Bubble Play
 

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

BB (t2145)
Hero (t3195)
MP (t1730)
Button (t2095)
SB (t5835)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t1730 all-in</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1700

Re: Bubble Play
 

I should add: It was a 10+1, I viewed the player as tight-passive earlier but didn't know if he changed gears for the bubble. Also, he paused a long time before making the push.

My guess is he had a small to medium pair. If that read was correct, should I have called? Absent of a read is it a good fold? Finally, was it a good "steal" attempt or is that hand not quite good enough for an UTG steal?

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if he had a small to medium pair you defiantely should have called. You should have pushed preflop to begin with instead.

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don't raise 3.5 BB-make it around 2.5

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2.7-1 odds on your call...I cant imagine a range that doesnt make this a call.

When you raise this much from that position, do you preplan to fold to all-ins? Bc you should reconsider raising in that case if you're playing with decent players.

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if he had a small to medium pair you defiantely should have called. You should have pushed preflop to begin with instead.

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Push pre-flop with 16X the BB? I would never do this in a million years. The risk / reward ratio is way out of whack to do this. Blinds aren't high enough and you're not desperate. If there is an AK behind you, you're in a world of hurt when you didn't need to be.

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if he had a small to medium pair you defiantely should have called. You should have pushed preflop to begin with instead.

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Push pre-flop with 16X the BB? I would never do this in a million years. The risk / reward ratio is way out of whack to do this. Blinds aren't high enough and you're not desperate. If there is an AK behind you, you're in a world of hurt when you didn't need to be.

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Then fold. You are raising too much out of position. If you can't push, fold. Or god forbid, miniraise.

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Pushing is horrendous. Id make it 2.5 BB to leave yourself a chance to fold. You dont want to have to call this all in. But now, you do. At most tables, 2.5 is enough to weed out any potential marginals calling you. You should consider this sort of thing when you raise, because if homeboy has QQ or AK (dominating you) your gonna be down to like 1.7k in chips.

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Pay attention to the table. Know what range of raises they will most likely call and fold to.

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At the lower levels of the $11 at UB, I have to raise 4BB to get people to respect it. I have traditionally made $700 my standard raise at this level though I shall experiment by going $500 instead.

As for the mess I got myself into:

Am I really comitted to calling another $1000+ by betting the $700? Doesn't that just compound the mistake? I could see an insta-call for only a few hundred bucks more but this was a considerable amount - of a raise and of my stack.

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At the lower levels of the $11 at UB, I have to raise 4BB to get people to respect it. I have traditionally made $700 my standard raise at this level though I shall experiment by going $500 instead.

As for the mess I got myself into:

Am I really comitted to calling another $1000+ by betting the $700? Doesn't that just compound the mistake? I could see an insta-call for only a few hundred bucks more but this was a considerable amount - of a raise and of my stack.

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NO, it compounds the mistake to NOT call another 1000 when there is already 2700 in the pot...even a very tight pushing range (which the shortest stack at the table might no have here) makes this a huge error not to call. I dont like your raise preflop at all BTW...

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with this size stack and the blinds only 100/200, i see no reason to play KQo from UTG. I'd fold it from the get go.

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even a very tight pushing range (which the shortest stack at the table might no have here) makes this a huge error not to call.

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I really wish people wouldn't say stuff like this.

Hand 1: 25.2273 % [ 00.25 00.00 ] { KQo }
Hand 2: 74.7727 % [ 00.74 00.00 ] { AA-JJ, AKs-AQs, AKo }

I don't think this range is too abnormally tight.

Re: Bubble Play
 

The chips he could lose are worth more than the chips he can win. I haven't done the calcs but that could make this fold correct.

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even a very tight pushing range (which the shortest stack at the table might no have here) makes this a huge error not to call.

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I really wish people wouldn't say stuff like this.

Hand 1: 25.2273 % [ 00.25 00.00 ] { KQo }
Hand 2: 74.7727 % [ 00.74 00.00 ] { AA-JJ, AKs-AQs, AKo }

I don't think this range is too abnormally tight.

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I actually wasnt thinking THAT tight...and anyone who would would be wrong IMO...even that range makes him almost even money.

I would put him on a range of AJ+ 88+ kqS

Not that your reply wasnt merited because I did say "very tight" and overstated myself...