Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO (poster) raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (20 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (15.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (19.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $0.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 19.75 BB

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

Getting 78:1 i would probably call.

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

Looks like you saved yourself a quarter!

I don't think I'm betting that turn...

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

Wow.

Fold preflop. Well, ok, it's 6max, so i guess you can call, but cold calling 2.5 with 6 high is scary. I don't think you hit a big draw often enough to make it worth it.

Flop is interesting, but i think it's good.

Leading the turn doesn't gain you anything. Just check/call.

This river case is amusing, but even if CO was bluffing the entire time (which happens less than 1/80 times), you're not even beating a bluff. Nice laydown [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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Fold preflop!

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I am OESD that's gotta have equity against 2 opponents.

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I am OESD that's gotta have equity against 2 opponents.

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not oesd---only a 4 gives you a straight.

Bad call pf, not as bad bet on the turn, otherwise fine

edit: you meant on the turn. i'm an idiot.

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

Why would you fold, its only 1/2SB

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Fold preflop!

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Ya. Wow.

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Why would you fold, its only 1/2SB

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Because you can't beat anything, including a bluff (you have 6 high, in order to win you would need for him to have a hand consisting of 2s, 4s, or 5s, but no pocket pair of course).

If he holds a 6 you chop.

All other hands you lose.

AKA - he probably has nothing and still has you beat.

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

fold preflop, check flop, check turn. so so bad.

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*grunch*
Preflop - fold (against 1 raise ok; against 3 not so much)
Flop - ok
Turn - probably check (betting won't make anyone fold in this pot and if your trying to build it (which I wouldn't here) than calling doesn't make much sense after he raises).
River - SSH suggests you have to be more than 95% sure you are beaten to fold here... I'm confident you made the right play [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
PS anyone else notice that huge draws like this never lose in the poker books... hmmmm

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Fold preflop. Well, ok, it's 6max, so i guess you can call, but cold calling 2.5 with 6 high is scary. I don't think you hit a big draw often enough to make it worth it.

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This is bad.

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

I fold preflop when I likely have the worst starters with the worst position.

I know you have a lot of outs but I don't bet the turn either.

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*grunch*

I'm folding this PF. I don't mind the flop bet (since you'll probably trap BB and MP for 2 bets if CO raises and button calls), but you lost some money on the turn. You're presumably 2.1-to-1 to win if all 15 outs are live, and you're not gaining any value even if both opponents call. I'd call the river just to see CO's hand.

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That's a good point I didn't even think of. Is the .25 worth the info gained on the CO player for future hands.

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I feel like I'd lay this down if I were good.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

River: (11 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

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cap flop, fold river. you can't possibly be winning there dude

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You deserved to lose a bunch of money after making that preflop call. That was really bad.

(Directed to the OP, not McGahee).

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That's a good point I didn't even think of. Is the .25 worth the info gained on the CO player for future hands.

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I think it might - also, you lose a lot of image by fold this. If you fold with 78-to-1, you might encourage some river bluffs in future pots... not something I want to worry about.

Re: Another Hand
 

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<font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

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baby jesus cries

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 

Not necessarily.


23,697,528 games 41.781 secs 567,184 games/sec

Board: Ts 3c 7c 8h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 31.0690 % 30.22% 00.85% { 6c5c }
Hand 2: 34.4717 % 33.34% 01.13% { random }
Hand 3: 34.4593 % 33.33% 01.13% { random }

The upper end of your straight makes a higher straight for any J, so it is not a clean out.

IMO pf is when you should have folded this hand. You can't play small SC's for 2.5SB pf against hands you're surely behind.

Re: Another Hand
 

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cap flop, fold river. you can't possibly be winning there dude

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Yeah, just horrible river play. If somebody posted it I'd be all over that and I don't know why I can't make such an easy fold in real-time practice.

I'm fairly certain the flop doesn't matter though. I knew I'd get ripped for it, but I didn't think you'd be one of them...you think he's ever checking the turn when I don't cap?

Re: Another Hand
 

if it were heads up i'd wait and raise. but i see a player trapped and i want his money now. also that dude might lead the turn anyway. that said, that's a close decision. the river play is what really matters there

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Preflop is wow.

Flop is good.

Turn is wow.

River is good.

Re: Another Hand
 

You've become quite the cryptic &amp; cocky pest for a newb that was generally lost like 5 months ago. What gives?

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You've become quite the cryptic &amp; cocky pest for a newb that was generally lost like 5 months ago. What gives?

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I think the implication was: cap the flop. You'll get one more BB on the flop, and then one or two more on the turn. You have no guarantee UTG will bet, and obviously you don't have a guarantee that you'll be able to trap CO again on the turn.

Re: Another Hand
 

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You've become quite the cryptic &amp; cocky pest for a newb that was generally lost like 5 months ago. What gives?

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he's my apprentice.

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I think the implication was: cap the flop. You'll get one more BB on the flop, and then one or two more on the turn. You have no guarantee UTG will bet, and obviously you don't have a guarantee that you'll be able to trap CO again on the turn.

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I got the implication. UTG is very very very likely to bet the turn, and although it's easy to say otherwise in hindsight, CO is very likely to call the turn after he calls 3 on the flop on this board. He folded unexpectedly, and yet I still collected as many bets as I would've had I capped. There are legions of people on this fourm who like to "3-bet to find out where they're at" which is usually a dumb idea and the average poster here is much smarter than the average player in general. Furthermore, when I cap and he leads the turn MHIG nowhere near 100% of the time.
But as Miles said the flop play is pretty insignificant in that hand.

Edit: Pooh-Bah is 1600? [censored] - am I supposed to write a dissertation or something?

Re: Another Hand
 

next one = pooh-bah...make it a good one.

Re: Another Hand
 

Fair enough.

Good luck on your next post. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]