Kinda deep hand - overbet
 

Villain is loose passive postflop. He would never lead the flop with a hand better than mine. I know he will chase a spade draw, and he'll check/call with Ax, two pair, and a set. I interrpreted his weak river bet as a cheap showdown play, or a stupid valubet with Ax (he has two pair now!). I've been 1-tablign and playing fairly lag, but I doubt anyone has noticed. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($97.85)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($148.50)</font>
MP ($336.20)
CO ($109.50)
Button ($97.50)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($224.30)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($9) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, SB calls $8.

Turn: ($25) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, SB calls $20.

River: ($65) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $116.50 (all-in),

Re: Kinda deep hand - overbet
 

I like it... hope you didn't lose to 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Kinda deep hand - overbet
 

I like it. Villian seems willing to put money in the pot, this is perfect time for overbet.

Results
 

So, what are my other options besides calling? Raise to $50 and fold to a push? But I never know what these guys will do on the river when there is already so much money in there. I didn't feel I could fold to a push here, so I just shoved and hoped to get a call.

Results: Villain instacalls with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J and my hand is good.

Re: Results
 

Why would you want to fold this? Only "reasonable" hand that beats you is AA?

Re: Kinda deep hand - overbet
 

I like the push. I think this is something I need to do a lot more often. I have been raising to 30-60 here thinking they are more likely to call only to see them call and turn over a weaker Jack, a flush or fold. Basically it seems clear that you have to raise and somebody thats going to call a small raise is going to call a big raise so tax the kusty.

Re: Results
 

It never even crossed my mind to fold here. The only reason to raise to 50 I think would be that you thought thats the most he will pay off but I can't put him on a hand here that pays off 50 and not a push. To call 50 I think he has to have at least a Jack, flush, or weaker boat - all of which I think will call a push. If I'm behind here I happily throw away my stack.

Re: Kinda deep hand - overbet
 

NH I'm suprised he called. I've missed these overbets 4/4 times today.

Re: Results
 

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To call 50 I think he has to have at least a Jack, flush, or weaker boat - all of which I think will call a push.

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Exactly

Re: Results
 

I like the push. At lower stakes players seem to think that a push means a bluff.

Re: Results
 

I like the play and laugh at him while you take his money because the donk slowplayed his flush. At low limits people are so adapt to call huge overbets on river with TP, the sooner some people realize this the more profitable they will be.

Re: Kinda deep hand - overbet
 

I haven't had this overbet called in days, but I still keep doing it. Villain liked that jack, so give him some action. I like the continuation betting on the flop and turn with monotone flop. I think too many people give up their hands when this happens.

Of course if a fourth club hits the hand becomes much more interesting [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Kinda deep hand - overbet
 

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I haven't had this overbet called in days, but I still keep doing it. Villain liked that jack, so give him some action. I like the continuation betting on the flop and turn with monotone flop. I think too many people give up their hands when this happens.

Of course if a fourth club hits the hand becomes much more interesting [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I give up after I get check-minraised on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: Results
 

he didnt have a flush...