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10/20 game. On river, I put 4 chips in my right hand and 4 in my left. Both hands are moving out. I flipped out 4 chips onto the table from right and then 4 from my left next to the chips I already flipped out.

At some point during this process, I did say raise as well. But I'm not sure at what point I said it.

Just what I do sometimes. I didn't think it was even close. But my opponent complained and the dealer said it was close but he allowed the raise.

Even if I did not say raise, is it close? I didn't reach back for some chips. Both hands were moving out at the same time. I just dropped them at different times.

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Use 1 hand, 1 motion. Don't be one of those tools.

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Why do you need to be different? You're only going to get people upset.

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avoid the appearance of evil

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No string raise, but why piss people off AND look like a dork?

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No string raise, but why piss people off AND look like a dork?

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Believe me, I'm not a tool nor a dork. I'm also well aware that pissing people off is negative EV.

Its just a comfortable way for me to pick up my chips and put them in the pot, period.

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I think it's fine as long as you never pull back the second hand and just call.

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If you don't say anything, yes, it can be a string raise if someone calls you on it. I know because I was a dick and called someone on it before. (1st and only time I've ever called a stringer on someone)

Many don't realize this can be seen as a stringer. One reason is because you can drop the chips at different times which is like going back to your stack.

As uncool as it may look, just put your chips in with one hand. There's no style points for 'how' you raise.

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If you don't say anything, yes, it can be a string raise if someone calls you on it. I know because I was a dick and called someone on it before. (1st and only time I've ever called a stringer on someone)

Many don't realize this can be seen as a stringer. One reason is because you can drop the chips at different times which is like going back to your stack.

As uncool as it may look, just put your chips in with one hand. There's no style points for 'how' you raise.

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Jesus..., as I said before I'm not looking for style points. Its just how I naturally put 8 chips into the pot. When I raise preflop, its just 4 chips in one hand. I guess it gets some mental midgets on tilt....

I don't think its a string raise. I'm moving forward with both hands. I'm pretty sure I always say raise as I'm moving forward.

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Believe me, I'm not a tool nor a dork. I just have VERY TINY HANDS!

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If you don't say anything, yes, it can be a string raise if someone calls you on it. I know because I was a dick and called someone on it before. (1st and only time I've ever called a stringer on someone)

Many don't realize this can be seen as a stringer. One reason is because you can drop the chips at different times which is like going back to your stack.

As uncool as it may look, just put your chips in with one hand. There's no style points for 'how' you raise.

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Jesus..., as I said before I'm not looking for style points. Its just how I naturally put 8 chips into the pot. When I raise preflop, its just 4 chips in one hand. I guess it gets some mental midgets on tilt....

I don't think its a string raise. I'm moving forward with both hands. I'm pretty sure I always say raise as I'm moving forward.

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Personally, I don't have a problem with it. However, again, just because you're moving forward with both hands doesn't mean everyone should assume you will drop chips out of both hands. It opens the door for that misuse. Think of how others may percieve it not just who you are in doing it. You will eventually see others who do this and don't drop chips then you'll know what I'm talking about as far as how it can appear.

But, if you say raise, hell, you can put the chips in 1 chip at a time incorporating your feet if you want. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Believe me, I'm not a tool nor a dork. I just have VERY TINY HANDS!

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Much like the dudes who are always one chip short when they're calling the bet. Two motions for one bet. Just... can't... get... that... last... chip... in... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Where I play, the rule says "one motion." I've seen guys use two hands, but the chips go in at the same time.

Bad habit.

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I don't see it. You're making a forward motion with both hands, you never went back to your stack, AND you declared a raise. What did he think you had in the "other" hand if it wasn't chips to put in the pot?

The guy who called it needs a laxative.

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My biggest problem with the string raise is that people call it at all. We play 30/60 here with red chips. I don't know why people do but they do and if you want to 3 bet the turn well it's going to take a month to do it and a truckload of chips. "Excuse me can you get the chip runner, I need to raise" what seems to happen now is that people just announce what's happening and then we square up the chips at then end.

SO Bet, I raise, 3 bet, cap it up. Ok here is my rack of red for the round.

Well as you can imagine there are more "string raises" in this game than a high picking guitar monkey on an amphetamine enima. When someone calls one, I keep think that pulling their fingernails off would be nicer than what the rest of the table wants to do to them. Personally I like to think you can go back for a continuous motion in this game, but oh well some people are just picky.

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You asked, "Was I wrong?"

99% of the replies say, "Yes, you were wrong."

And you say, "Well, I don't care if everybody says it's wrong, I'm going to continue to do it, because I don't think it's wrong."

My question for you is: why did you ask us?

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I don't see it. You're making a forward motion with both hands, you never went back to your stack, AND you declared a raise. What did he think you had in the "other" hand if it wasn't chips to put in the pot?

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OP wasn't sure when he said raise during 'the process'. Ever seen someone drop chips from one hand, wait a second or 2, then drop the next chips? That is what is being guarded against.

But really not a big deal to worry about. But something to think about as you can get called on it.

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I don't see it. You're making a forward motion with both hands, you never went back to your stack, AND you declared a raise. What did he think you had in the "other" hand if it wasn't chips to put in the pot?

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OP wasn't sure when he said raise during 'the process'. Ever seen someone drop chips from one hand, wait a second or 2, then drop the next chips? That is what is being guarded against.

But really not a big deal to worry about. But something to think about as you can get called on it.

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bernie - the real problem is people like you who mark your cards close to the line, with that chip just sticcking over hte edge sometimes. Yes you should not be allowed to raise, in fact I think I'm going to call that one on you a few times. Why? because I had it called on me.

"Sir you have a chip in the action already you can't raise?"

"You understand we are playing on a stud table, and I'm trying to keep my cards out so others can see them?"

"Yes, but you have a chip in action."

"It's protecting my hand."

"Yes but"

pfffft

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the real problem is people like you who mark your cards close to the line, with that chip just sticcking over hte edge sometimes. Yes you should not be allowed to raise, in fact I think I'm going to call that one on you a few times. Why? because I had it called on me.


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Don't make me knock over your chip castle. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I really should keep my cards closer off the line. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I know I've been told many a time....

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Its just a comfortable way for me to pick up my chips and put them in the pot, period.

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I remember the first time I played poker in a casino. I picked my hole cards off the table and up to my chest to look at them. The dealer told me I couldn't do that. My buddy showed me how to cup my hands over the cards and take a little peak so my opps couldn't see.

It was damn uncomfortable and I hated doing it. But after a couple of sessions it became 2nd nature and I couldn't imagine doing it any other way now.

Learn how to do it right. Grab a stack of chips in one hand and practice making neat piles of your bet with precision. You'll get more respect at the table.

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10/20 game. On river, I put 4 chips in my right hand and 4 in my left. Both hands are moving out. I flipped out 4 chips onto the table from right and then 4 from my left next to the chips I already flipped out.

At some point during this process, I did say raise as well. But I'm not sure at what point I said it.

Just what I do sometimes. I didn't think it was even close. But my opponent complained and the dealer said it was close but he allowed the raise.

Even if I did not say raise, is it close? I didn't reach back for some chips. Both hands were moving out at the same time. I just dropped them at different times.

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you can move both your hands at the same time right?

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Use 1 hand, 1 motion. Don't be one of those tools.

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Verbal declaration before a chip hits the felt, and you can be as big of a tool as you want. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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If you don't say anything, yes, it can be a string raise if someone calls you on it. I know because I was a dick and called someone on it before. (1st and only time I've ever called a stringer on someone)

Many don't realize this can be seen as a stringer. One reason is because you can drop the chips at different times which is like going back to your stack.

As uncool as it may look, just put your chips in with one hand. There's no style points for 'how' you raise.

b

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Jesus..., as I said before I'm not looking for style points. Its just how I naturally put 8 chips into the pot. When I raise preflop, its just 4 chips in one hand. I guess it gets some mental midgets on tilt....

I don't think its a string raise. I'm moving forward with both hands. I'm pretty sure I always say raise as I'm moving forward.

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Something else that works is if you use both hands, place both piles in the pot without letting go of either, then remove both hands at once.

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Well as you can imagine there are more "string raises" in this game than a high picking guitar monkey on an amphetamine enima.
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