Standard?
 

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($216.35)
SB ($56.10)
BB ($141.15)
UTG ($85)
UTG+1 ($195.40)
Hero ($198)
MP1 ($114.80)
MP2 ($302.60)
MP3 ($230.95)
CO ($111.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $21.

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $63</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $126

villian is 40/0 after 30 hands

i was planning on goin to the felt on a non-A non-Q flop, does this sound right?

Re: Standard?
 

Limp-reraise from a guy with 40/0 stats? Can this really be QQ? I think you are splitting or in big trouble here. Is this a laydown preflop?

Pity you didn't have a few more hands for your stats - if this guy was really only a few percent raiser, you have to consider laying this down.

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well, if this is true than i can play it for set value, yeah?

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Paying $20 for the chance of hitting the set, you have to be certain he will pay you off his whole stack when you hit. You're right though - he probably can't get away post flop.

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yeah, he can't be sure i don't have AK and will pay off probably

so i guess the real question is do i check/fold a T73r flop

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Well, now I've correctly called preflop, I think I would certainly fold if bet to on any non-king flop. It would be odd if he checked to you. I'd probably check behind.

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A raise from your right is either a re-raise or fold. The 5-10 % rule by Ciaffone would indicate a clear fold.So without clear tells etc.,I would be inclined to fold.

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The 5-10 % rule by Ciaffone would indicate a clear fold.

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what's the rule

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while we are analysing KK hands, here's another one:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($178.45)
BB ($197.15)
UTG ($108.70)
Hero ($199.85)
UTG+2 ($202.25)
MP1 ($167.75)
MP2 ($56.80)
MP3 ($267.20)
CO ($77.60)
Button ($29)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, UTG+2 calls $15, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls $11.

Flop: ($48) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises to $138</font>, UTG folds, Hero

villian is 17/7 over ~100 hands, haven't noticed him do anything special yet

Re: Standard?
 

You only have 30 hands on this guy, that is no reason to conclude that he has AA just because he limp re raises, he also has a vpip of 40 which means he more likely is a donk. I think you made a mistake by just calling PF because you prolly going to try to get your money in on a non A flop and on an A flop you going to muck. I think you shoulda 3 bet pf and folded to a raise.
Noah

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I think your ahead here becuase I dont think the villian would open raise with those low pockeet pairs for a set, I also dont see the villian smooth calling with aces after someone else called. I'd call thinking I was ahead.
Noah

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UTG+2 cold-called preflop

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i don't like raising preflop, i want his QQ/JJ to stay in

and it's a disaster if he pushes preflop with QQ/JJ and i fold getting ~ 3-1 on my money

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Didnt see it was the cold caller who raised. im really torn in this hand now, some palyers will call thatm uch with a low pp trying to hit a set, or he could have tt-qq. Id rather get my money in than have no idea were i am on a q high, jack high, or ace high flop.
Noah

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5/10 rule is that you should call a raise with speculative hands if the price is less that 5% of your opponents stack (or your stack if you do not cover). You should fold if price is greater than 10%.

In this case, the price is almost exactly 10% of what we stand to win if we stack the opponent. This is a special case though - we are not trying to spike a set against a raiser who might have a mediocre hand and so might not pay us off when we hit; we can be unusually confident here that we will get paid off.

In fact, we need only 7:1 for a set, and if we stack villain we are getting 10:1, so we actually only need to stack villain two times of each three we hit a set to make the call +EV. Sounds likely.

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I think you played this one just right.

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this is what i was thinking, but i thought i had the rule wrong or something

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Is it really 7:1 spiking a set on the flop? To tired to calculate it myself, but aren't 7:1 the odds for spiking a set after seeing both the flop, turn and river?

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i was under the impression it was indeed about 7:1, maybe a touch more (7.2:1 or something)

a set by the river is ~4:1 i believe

what\'s up with all these KK\'s?
 

same guy who raised my flop $30 bet in other hand is villian again:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($235.95)
UTG+1 ($108.10)
UTG+2 ($119.80)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($200)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($221.60)</font>
MP3 ($144)
CO ($241.90)
Button ($57.65)
SB ($459.10)
BB ($119.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls $17.

Flop: ($51) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $51</font>, Hero calls $51.

Turn: ($153) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $146.6 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $125 (All-In).

River: ($424.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $424.60

Re: Standard?
 

Flopping a set or quads is approx 2/50+2/49+2/48=12.2% or 1:7.2

Re: what\'s up with all these KK\'s?
 

What a terrible turn card. I think you played it right. Pray he had AK?

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He has two outs close to 100% of the time. And you should have 3-bet and called a push.

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Fold this one, IMO.

Re: what\'s up with all these KK\'s?
 

I would 3-bet again preflop and call a push or pot the flop if he flat calls my 3-bet. Your line is decent postflop. Bad turn card, but can't do anything but check/call.