I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB. just sat, no reads yet, loose table, though- $34 avg pot.

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $103.2</font>...

Does ANYONE fold here? i thought about it... nah...

Hero calls $86.35 (All-In).

Flop: ($205.55) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Turn: ($205.55) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

River: ($205.55) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]


So, we all know what he has here... i suppose i knew before i made the call... this seems to happen to me a lot. geez.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

eh, against a rando I think you have to call. Although I've never played the 100NL at Stars

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

Of course you can fold! There's a button for that express purpose.

I, however, would not.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

QQ sure but with KK the money is going in.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

I don't usually see ppl do this w/ QQ. Much more likely either KK or AA, and you have the KK, so he's probably got the AA. Personally I don't have a problem laying it down w/ no particular reads. I personally like to wait until he has KK and I have the AA and he can't make the laydown. I've lost to many a stack w/ KK vs. someone's AA. But again, it's very dependent.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

Against an unknown at $100 NL at PS, instant call versus a button 3 bet all-in preflop. A couple of days ago I was in a similar situation where I had KK.....villain tabled AJo. Tough break sir.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

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QQ sure but with KK the money is going in.

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Aye, against an unknown. KK can be folded in this situation, but you really have to know that the button is a rock.

Edit: Btw, Beset, congrats on being made a mod. What forum are you modding?

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

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QQ sure but with KK the money is going in.

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Aye, against an unknown. KK can be folded in this situation, but you really have to know that the button is a rock.

Edit: Btw, Beset, congrats on being made a mod. What forum are you modding?

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I think I've folded KK a couples time preflop but the action was a little different. At least one involved a limp reraise from an UTG rock. How tight would the 3-bet AI guy have to be before you are dumping?

Felicialee is going to be out of a town a bunch over the next few months so I'll be moderating the PLO and Omaha/8 forums. Good timing as I started playing about 60/40 NLHE/Omaha variants again about 5 weeks ago.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

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I think I've folded KK a couples time preflop but the action was a little different. At least one involved a limp reraise from an UTG rock. How tight would the 3-bet AI guy have to be before you are dumping?

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<u>&lt;</u> 20 VPIP probably over 75+ hands. Although a more important factor is considering the hands leading up the the push, which PT really doesn't tell you. If he's been losing the whole night I'm calling, if he's slowly grinding his way up and hasn't played any big pots I'd be more inclined to fold.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

Daniel Negraneau says he's only folded KK pre-flop once. And he was wrong about that one time. He could have been talking about tournaments, but he didn't say that. Anyway, if never folding KK is good enough for him, it's good enough for me.

I agree with the posters that say look at PT stats if you have them. Other than that, this is an insta call for me.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

on party i never fold this

on stars i prolly should but wouldnt

xxxx happens

paul

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

Instacall.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

I'm capable of folding it and have done so at 100--that guy was the tighest person I had ever seen though.

Obviously, I'm not folding it against a shorter stack or a complete unknown.

I've never folded that hand in tournament play--I've never had the situation arise where I even could have yet.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

also, we all know what he has for the sole fact that you posted this .... but ive definitely gone all-in preflop against QQ, JJ, AK, even TT sometimes here agianst the stupidest of people

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

I was in an almost identical situation a few days ago. I was a blind, the button raised, I reraised, and he pushed. I really wanted to fold, but I just don't fold KK preflop (I've done it once). I was 90% sure he had aces, but I was also 99% sure that I was wrong more than enough times to make the call correct. He turned over 55 and hit a 5 on the turn. But the point is that people will make ridiculous plays in SSNL and KK is just too good to lay down without a hell of a read.

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

This happened to me a few days ago too. this lil fishy player overraised preflop but i had caught him doing this with a-10 earlier. This time i Had KK, i re-raised 2x and he pushed the rest of his Giant stack INSTANTLY. I was the only other big stack and i was 90% sure he had it, but come on, he overraised preflop with a-10 tenhanded!

Your situation was 6max right? their's no way in hell im getting away from KK 6handed unless villain is the rockest rock to ever rock. Even then, i'd probably still crying call it unless i was on my absolute "A" game that day. But i don't know, i dont play 6max much, so i haven't run into it.

Anyway, insta-call. its 6max for god's sake!

Re: I don\'t suppose i could fold this? $100NL
 

Over the long run getting it in pre-flop with KK is ++EV. From time to time you run in to AA (40-1 against at 6-max) so I don't worry about these situations.