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etizzle 10-05-2005 04:38 AM

5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
I have only 9 hands on the villain at the time of the hand. He has seen one or two flops, and hasnt raised yet. He's check/folded to small bets on the turn after calling small flop bets once or twice. So basically I dont know much except he doesnt play every hand and he doesnt seem like a lunatic so far.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">UTG limps, 3 folds</font>. Hero makes it 45, SB calls and UTG folds.


($108)Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero bets 85, SB calls 85.

($278)Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB bets 200, Hero calls.

($678)River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

SB bets 350...

technologic 10-05-2005 05:03 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
relative stack sizes?

alarm bells go off in my head from this stop and go when a relative blank hits on the turn...i'd probably either give it up on the turn or raise, leaning towards folding because i'm weak tight.

Hattifnatt 10-05-2005 05:06 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
It's really looks that he wants the call.

Muck on the river now after you've called the turn.

mgsimpleton 10-05-2005 06:16 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
no one thinks this could be a block bet from AJ or AQ... really? you´d fold getting 3 to 1 here? i think it´s an easy call.

KaneKungFu123 10-05-2005 06:20 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
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no one thinks this could be a block bet from AK or AQ... really? you´d fold getting 3 to 1 here?

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i call

Salerosa 10-05-2005 07:41 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
As do I

Chris Daddy Cool 10-05-2005 07:56 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
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no one thinks this could be a block bet from AJ or AQ... really? you´d fold getting 3 to 1 here? i think it´s an easy call.

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Xizor 10-05-2005 10:28 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
As you played it I call.
Might have raised or given up on the turn though. I don't think you can fold the river when you call the turn. You must obviously think you have the best hand on the turn, and the river changes nothing so..

jzpiano14 10-05-2005 10:36 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
I call and make a note

etizzle 10-05-2005 11:32 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
actually just checked the HH, he had 925 and I cover

CamelZoo 10-05-2005 11:33 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
i call here, least of three evils.

etizzle 10-05-2005 11:38 AM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
doesn't it seem like he'd bet more in the 150-250 range if it were a block bet? It has to look like i'm calling the river after I call the turn on this board.

Also, He only has like 250 or so left after he makes this bet (of course like an idiot i didnt include stack sizes but he started with 925), so I think its tough for him to make this blocking bet if hes planning on folding to a raise.

flawless_victory 10-05-2005 02:26 PM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
given that you made it here, folding the river seems nuts for such a good price...
obviously youre not raising.

Andrew Fletcher 10-05-2005 02:50 PM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
After calling the bet on the turn, it does seem sort of nuts to fold to that river bet. You're getting a great price and might still be ahead.

Personally, I'd rather raise the turn or fold. Smells like a set to me.

vanHelsing 10-05-2005 03:35 PM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
Now 2 posters considered raising the turn.
I don't play this high, but i don't understand why I should raise.
It's WA/WB and a raise folds out weaker hands, but won't fold better ones.
Anyone cares to explain, why he would like to raise the turn?

10-05-2005 03:53 PM

Re: 5/10 TPTK meets resistance
 
I see no reason to raise the turn. You have no reason to think this guy is loose (he folds to small turn bets after calling small flop bets, no other information) He is either winning with two pair or a set, or he is losing with a worse ace. Your raise folds no hand better than yours and your raise folds basically every hand worse than yours. (unless the guy is overzealous with AQ) Calling is clearly the correct turn play.
The question posed by Etizzle was the river decision for 350. Villain only has 200-250 in his stack after this 350 bet is made (he is representing that he can't fold to a raise 'would he do that on purpose with a hand like AJ or AQ to make it seem like he is stronger than he is.... highly unlikely, but possible)
This is a difficult decision... this 350 bet reaks of a value bet, but it very well could be with AQ, doubtful AJ. Only problem is, you called the turn, and it seems obvious that you are calling the river bet. I think even if he is betting AQ, he thinks he is most likely good.
This river bet has to be called. Close your eyes, grit your teeth, and throw your 350 into the pot, knowing you are getting slightly better than 3-1.

I think you win this hand 1 out of 4 times, maybe a bit more... making your 3-1 pot odds worth it.


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