The Platinum Poker Club to be Blacklisted
 

As some of you may know, PremierPokerProps managed props for The Platinum Poker Club in August and September. PremierPokerProps pay for doing this was a X% override on the total prop's pay (prop pay was a 100% rake back.) Dating back to work done in August, PremierPokerProps is still owed funds. For the majority of our props, PremierPokerProps has only been paid 75% of what they are owed. However, there are a handful of props that The Platinum Poker Club has not paid anything for.

They have been given over two months to resolve these issues, and have not. Many times my emails were ignored, and only after much pestering was I able to obtain any response. On November 2nd, they were sent an ultimatum to either make serious headway on our outstanding issues in one week, or face the saga going public on BW, 2+2, and getting blacklisted on BW. The total due is not a terribly large sum (just a few hundred) so I find it greatly distressing that they have chosen to let this happen.

I hope this information enables everyone to make a more informed decision of where to play.

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IMO these people were shady from day one, even just recently I played in a point freeroll and the software failed to merge the games as the tables dropped and ended up with 2 tables with 1 person at it. The next time I played people at other tables were never transfered to table 1 and thus were kicked from tournament without prizes still having chips. To my knowledge they never corrected these issues of these games and wrongfully awarded prized to people who did not place.

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The total due is not a terribly large sum (just a few hundred) so I find it greatly distressing that they have chosen to let this happen.


imo, this is more distressing than if the amounts were higher. a higher figure owed to you could be explained by the fact that they are having financial problems. nickel and diming you for pennies shows an utter lack of class and integrity.

i would not play this room if they staked me with house funds.

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The total due is not a terribly large sum (just a few hundred) so I find it greatly distressing that they have chosen to let this happen.


imo, this is more distressing than if the amounts were higher. a higher figure owed to you could be explained by the fact that they are having financial problems. nickel and diming you for pennies shows an utter lack of class and integrity.


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I was of the school of thought that the small figure was more distressing because with a large figure, they could think the benefits of not paying outweigh the cost (tons of bad publicity.) However, with such a small figure involved, it makes me think that they can't pay.

Either way, it's not pretty.

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The total due is not a terribly large sum (just a few hundred) so I find it greatly distressing that they have chosen to let this happen.


imo, this is more distressing than if the amounts were higher. a higher figure owed to you could be explained by the fact that they are having financial problems. nickel and diming you for pennies shows an utter lack of class and integrity.


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I was of the school of thought that the small figure was more distressing because with a large figure, they could think the benefits of not paying outweigh the cost (tons of bad publicity.) However, with such a small figure involved, it makes me think that they can't pay.

Either way, it's not pretty.

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I would have to agree with this. Remember the ton of money they dropped at first and all the hype without having to be too much of a spammer. Then the ridiculous rules came out, the shady practices. My favorite is still the 100 raked hands requirement after you have made a player to player transfer. Something I never found in their rules and a question they would never answer directly was why have a rule like that, especially one that is not disclosed until the receiver tries to cash out.

You must think that they do not have the money to pay. Have they ever denied owing this money to you Jek?

At 7:30pm ET they have 1 4 handed game going, a .02/.04 NL game.

Another Dobrosoft room biting the dust, does it smell like Choice Poker yet? Owing a few hundred for months spells doom to me.

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nahhh. for a couple hundred, the sites' owner pays you off cuz the bad press can be halted or slowed on the cheap. he would pay you out of his own checking account. at least that's how i would do it.

not paying such a small sum seems defiant to me. the only way i think it is cuz of being broke is if all the operators had literally run off.

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Something I never found in their rules and a question they would never answer directly was why have a rule like that, especially one that is not disclosed until the receiver tries to cash out.

wow. i kinda like this idea! i hate that they did not disclose it, but i like the concept.

i think this would make it much harder for scumbags to collude with fake accounts and multiple aliases.

none of the players would go for it though, but it is certainly unique.

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Have they ever denied owing this money to you Jek?

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No, they haven't. Our correspondence normally went something like this.

Me: You owe me money for this, this, and that.
Me: It's been 3 days, and I haven't got a response.
Me: It's been a week, and I haven't got a response.
Them: I'm sorry, i don't understand
Me: You owe me money for this, this and that (in different words.)
Me: It's been 3 days, and I haven't got a response.
Me: It's been a week, and I haven't got a response.
Them: You need to email this guy tppcguy@tppp.com
Me: You owe me money for this, this, and that.
Me: It's been 3 days, and I haven't got a response.
Me: It's been a week, and I haven't got a response.
Them: I'm sorry, i don't understand
Me: You owe me money for this, this and that (in different words.)
Me: It's been 3 days, and I haven't got a response.
Me: It's been a week, and I haven't got a response.
Them: I'm sorry, you need to talk to the 1st person you were emailing.

You get the idea.

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not paying such a small sum seems defiant to me. the only way i think it is cuz of being broke is if all the operators had literally run off.

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My original contact at TPPC (who was actually quite good) appeared to have quit/got fired from TPPC awhile back. An operator run off would hardly shock me at this point.

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An operator run off would hardly shock me at this point.

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Choice?????

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30 minutes ago i got an email where they are launching a big new bonus program.

these people need to pay you

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30 minutes ago i got an email where they are launching a big new bonus program.


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I got the same email, I replied back and told them I wasn't playing at their site anymore because of the BW blacklisting. Maybe if enough people do that you can get your money.

GL,
J

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this is exactly how my conversations went with them for about a week and a half when i was removing all my funds from there cause it smelled fishy. if you recall jek, i contacted you cause i had a bad vibe i wasnt going to get paid. and when i called their support to find where my cashout was, i was given, we are working on it, when i asked for any more information i was given that robotic answer till the man just hung up on me. I may be owed a little prop pay, if you are lucky enough to recieve any monies, its yours for the headache these unprofessional clowns have caused.

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Maybe if enough people do that you can get your money.

i had not even thought of that.

i just forwarded back the email and said "i hear you guys have not paid people you owe and i hear your site is not trustwortrhy. either pay your debts or don't spam me anymore"

you are right jason, everyone should tell them to FO

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I may be owed a little prop pay, if you are lucky enough to recieve any monies, its yours for the headache these unprofessional clowns have caused.

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This concerns me, as I thought all the props were taken care of up to October 1st (when PPP pulled out.) The last correspondence I have from you is October 2nd, where you say you got paid. If you're still owed money, let me know the details, and I'll get it put right one way or the other.

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I just sent a similiar note to their support. This bonus looks like either an attempt to get cash coming in to pay bills or the decision has been made to close down and they want more cash on hand to get something for their "work."

RR

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This bonus looks like either an attempt to get cash coming in to pay bills or the decision has been made to close down and they want more cash on hand to get something for their "work."

agreed. and neither scenario is encouraging.

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Shame. Platinum is the only site that sent me a free t-shirt. Actually, they sent me two.

Oh well!

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Just in case keep in mind that the Platinum Poker Network (platinumpoker.com) is DIFFERENT to the http://www.theplatinumpokerclub.com/ which is the site that jek is complaining about.

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The site was A-1 in the beginning months with all those great point buy in free rolls. They had it going on until they decided to go in a different direction three months in. If they would of stuck with their initial plan three more months they would have had a nice site going on by now.

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IMO these people were shady from day one.

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I made good money out of The Platinum Poker Club in the first months after their launch, when they were offering very generous freerolls and regular $ 500 guaranteed tournaments (at which only a handful off people turned up). There wasn’t even a cash out requirement attached to freeroll winnings. It seemed a bit to good to be true, but I haven’t had any problems cashing out… and that was without ever having to deposit or being hassled for ID documentation.

So to say they were shady from the beginning is rubbish. They tried to capture a piece of the market by being very generous, and failed. Plain and simple.

Their problem is that they’ve never been able to get a decent number of tables going. The tables that they did have were usually $2/$4 or $3/$6 limit tables with a preposterously low percentage of players per plop. This whole poker props idea was and is a very bad idea. It attracts the sort of players who play tight as a rock and therefore hardly generate any action. (You might say props are worse than bots [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). I know I didn’t feel any urge to try the ring games, anyway.

$ 7 left in my account now. I think I might try one last tourney or see if they have a micro-limit table running tonight…

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I'd like to take this opportunity to thank JEK187 for the professional, up-front manner in which he has handled his business.

I was fortunate enough to have gotten out early, and gotten paid what I was owed. I'm sorry to hear others haven't.

Although the Platinum Poker Club has been shady and untrustworthy, it should be no reflection on JEK and his venture.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend anyone towards working with Jason. He has been nothing but honest and hard-working in my experience.

Cheers,
JTrout

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I in no way have any affiliation with anyone involved. I asked PPC for a response for Casinomesiter where I posted about this conflict. They emailed me this to give their side. I felt it was only fair to post it here as well.

Response to PremierPokerProps:

PREMIERPOKERPROPS provided prop players to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB with an agreed upon management fee of X% of the prop players’ pay, not a % of the players’ gross rake contribution. Because THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB pays ALL players a percentage of their rake back as part of the Cash-Back program, prop players are only paid the difference of their gross rake minus their Cash-Back payment. In turn, PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid their % on the props’ actual prop payments, and was paid completely and fairly.

PREMIERPOKERPROPS was brought on to supply and manage prop players and for this service PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid. PREMIERPOKERPROPS’s ability to manage the provided prop players was non-existent and in many cases detrimental to the site. In PREMIERPOKERPROPS’s own Prop Agreement it states the following: “A prop’s job is to provide pleasant games for customers to play in”, and “Under no circumstance will a prop berate another player”. THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables. Also, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB was forced to ban many of these props’ chat privileges for berating other players, bad-mouthing the site and promoting other sites. Not once did PREMIERPOKERPROPS put a stop to this behavior or even move props around on the tables for more effective coverage. In other words, the props provided by PREMIERPOKERPROPS were totally and completely un-managed.

After two months, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB received a letter from PREMIERPOKERPROPS stating that they were no longer in the Prop Management business and that they simply wanted to receive a finder’s fee for any Props they send to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB. At that point THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB dropped PREMIERPOKERPROPS as a prop-provider and changed their account to that of Affiliate so they would continue getting the standard affiliate pay for the players they brought to the tables. It was probably a good decision for Jason to get out of the prop management business because companies will not pay a management fee to someone who does not provide any management.

Any references to prop players not getting paid, people getting cheated out of money, etc. are completely false. Not once has any prop player complained about their pay.

PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid correctly and fairly, and in fact was probably overpaid given the lack of services provided. I wish Premier Poker Props and Jason success in their future endeavors and regret we were not able to come to an amicable conclusion to his alleged concerns.

The Platinum Poker Club

Dan Williams
Vice President of Poker Operations

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1st off, I'll say that both TPPC's opinion that I am not owed the money that I am, and their opinion of PPP.com's performance is news to me.

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PREMIERPOKERPROPS provided prop players to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB with an agreed upon management fee of X% of the prop players’ pay, not a % of the players’ gross rake contribution. Because THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB pays ALL players a percentage of their rake back as part of the Cash-Back program, prop players are only paid the difference of their gross rake minus their Cash-Back payment.

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This is an excerpt from an email I received from TPPC's card room manager on September 13th:
Hi Jason

I told Dan Williams today that you entitled to 10% of all your props gross rake not the net and told him to look at the agreement he accepted so you will be getting the difference.

It's obvious that TPPC was supposed to pay us based on the total rake, not just the net rake. This is straight from their card room manager. Also, this is the 1st time that they have ever disputed the payment due. Just 2 months after I initially brought it up. I would like to give them the benefit of a doubt here, but I find it hard not to see this initial paragraph from Dan as intentionally deceitful.

Additionally, Dan does not even address that PPP.com has not been paid one cent for some props. I'd love to hear the reasoning for that.

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THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables. Also, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB was forced to ban many of these props’ chat privileges for berating other players, bad-mouthing the site and promoting other sites. Not once did PREMIERPOKERPROPS put a stop to this behavior

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This is likely completely untrue. During PPP's stay at TPPC, I received one complaint about a prop's chat. That prop was sternly reprimanded, and barely kept his position. If TPPC was receiving these complaints, I was never notified.

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or even move props around on the tables for more effective coverage. In other words, the props provided by PREMIERPOKERPROPS were totally and completely un-managed.

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Another completely erroneous charge. I spent a great deal of time answering prop emails/IMs on propping, and monitoring TPPC's tables to make sure that everyone was propping correctly. To say this constitutes "total and complete unmanagement" is libel. Also, not to beat a dead horse, but do you think that if they were unhappy with our services, they would wait until we were almost 6 weeks out of there to express their dissatisfaction?

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After two months, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB received a letter from PREMIERPOKERPROPS stating that they were no longer in the Prop Management business and that they simply wanted to receive a finder’s fee for any Props they send to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB. At that point THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB dropped PREMIERPOKERPROPS as a prop-provider and changed their account to that of Affiliate so they would continue getting the standard affiliate pay for the players they brought to the tables.

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This is, once again, untrue. On September 13th (only 28% short of the two months Dan mentions) I sent TPPC the email stating that PPP was resigning, effective Septemeber 30th. This email did not coincide with my email proposing to refer props to TPPC, which came later on. Yet more misinformation.

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Any references to prop players not getting paid, people getting cheated out of money, etc. are completely false. Not once has any prop player complained about their pay.


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While I haven't made any allegations about props not geting paid, I need to dispute the part in bold. I received, and resolved, multiple instances of TPPC not paying one prop or another. These were all errors on TPPC's end.

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PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid correctly and fairly, and in fact was probably overpaid given the lack of services provided.

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This sums up all the deceipt perfectly. Utter hogwash.

Anyone with any further thoughts to add to this saga is welcome to, and I will answer as fully as possible.

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Also, this just in.

A contact of mine in Costa Rica has informed me that TPPC has laid off their entire customer support staff. Things just get better and better.

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their opinion of PPP.com's performance is news to me.

this is not their 'opinion'.

this is a desperate sites REACTION to being outed as thieves and scumbags.

FWIW, i propped for jek for a week and he performed better than any prop manager i have ever encountered, live or internet.

this included setting up a prop forum that was private at bw.com and addressing daily issues that arose from the utter incompetence of the tppc managers.

their reply is pure sour grapes, and anyone who deposits a dime there should expect to never see it. this place is your next pokerspot.com.
anyone playing there will have nobody to blame but themselves when these thieves steal your money and perhaps your identity.

as far as you jek, if these scum were not protected by foriegn soil, i would sue the snot out of them.

their reply makes me sick!

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Dan Williams
Vice President of Poker Operations

Soon to be looking for alternative employment...

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THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables.

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At least now we know why us props got the following email from TPPC.

We do understand that you are here also to win and protect your bankroll. However, we do not expect you to abuse the other players by constantly raising on almost every hand to bully the games, especially in short handed games.

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LOL

That is hilarious!

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THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables.

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At least now we know why us props got the following email from TPPC.

We do understand that you are here also to win and protect your bankroll. However, we do not expect you to abuse the other players by constantly raising on almost every hand to bully the games, especially in short handed games.

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Yeah, seriously, everyone knows you're not supposed to raise as often in short-handed games. Haven't you ever read the HUSH forum? What a noob!

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Well, I did not like the place but reporting on this to Casinomeister I needed to get both sides.

When I have propped at any room there is always a maniac blind stealer in the short games, sometimes two. It is not always a prop. I think it is stupid to tell your props not to raise too much. Doesnt this produce more rake in bigger pots? More money for the house?

To be unbiased I do have a couple of questions.

Are there any unpaid props out there or was this just management fees that went unpaid? If props went unpaid what is their recourse?

Shouldnt we invite PPC to the discussion?

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When I have propped at any room there is always a maniac blind stealer in the short games, sometimes two.

when i propped live 87 years ago, we were not allowed to check-raise or be aggressive in our betting. yes, this was propping, not shilling.

those rules went out like the mullet haircut.

oh wait...
anyhow, this rule has never been practical nor enforced online and always sucked in a B&M.

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Are there any unpaid props out there or was this just management fees that went unpaid?

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To the best of my knowledge, there are no unpaid props (outside of Morgant saying he "may" be owed a little bit.) I still have the PPP.com forum up on BW, and nobody has reported this.

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If props went unpaid what is their recourse?

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If I can't get TPPC to pay any unpaid props (for work done up to October 1st) then I'll personally get them taken care of.

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Shouldnt we invite PPC to the discussion?

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I welcome them. Maybe they can respond to my posts, since they don't respond to my emails.

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it's obvious that the last promo email these guys sent out 4 days ago with all sorts of deposit bonuses is their last stand.They are trying to suck in what they can from unknowing players right before they close the doors for good!
This happens regularly with these marginal rooms.
IF you have any funds in this room get them out now!