I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 ($629.31)
MP1 ($152.45)
MP2 ($231.80)
MP3 ($190.50)
CO ($97.95)
Button ($194)
Hero ($196)
BB ($236.95)
UTG ($210.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $7</font>, MP2 calls $7, MP3 calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $7, Hero (poster) calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($37) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $67

remember when u would stack people everytime here?

this is still extremely standard right?

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

It's odd how this is a bad beat post that doesn't have a bad beat.

I'd pot the flop.

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Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

i dropped 3 buy-ins to the same guy tonight, every single one of them went like this.

flop: xxx
check, check
turn: y gives me the nut straight/flush
money goes in
river: z pairs the board, his slowplayed set scoops

repeat x 3

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

Standard. Check-raise is also fine, even slow playing the flop entirely against the right opponent (assuming it was guaranteed heads up) would be fine in moderation.

Flopping a set and having it go nowhere is pretty common, not exactly grounds for a post.... (even in BBV).... Decent players tend to shut down a bit when 5 players see the flop for a raise. You're gonna have to run into 33, a strong K or a nice combo draw to have a chance at stacking most players here.

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

I dislike it. I only lead into PFR's with sets when I know they for sure have an overpair that'll pay off or when I know it'll look like a draw of some sorts and get raised. The only overpair from the original raiser that'll give action is Aces. Kings have you crushed, and Queens is mad you caught a King on the flop.

A big bet will also slow down hands you want in. I think I check-raise. I want someone to bet like $12, get a few calls, then I can gunnnnn it.

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

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I dislike it. I only lead into PFR's with sets when I know they for sure have an overpair that'll pay off or when I know it'll look like a draw of some sorts and get raised. The only overpair from the original raiser that'll give action is Aces. Kings have you crushed, and Queens is mad you caught a King on the flop.

A big bet will also slow down hands you want in. I think I check-raise. I want someone to bet like $12, get a few calls, then I can gunnnnn it.

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Are you trying to make like $30 on this hand or are you trying to stack somebody. I believe leading at this flop is FAR superior to checkraising for several reasons. You don't want to give a free card in 5-way action with a flush draw out there, check-raising is scarier and may force a hand like AK to fold after very little action, and finally if somebody makes a good sized raise you can get it allin on the flop (which is very good).

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

not awful to check flop, let raiser bet his slick, maybe someone else gets involved with a draw or whatever. Basically, you can trap the players between raiser and you.

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

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Are you trying to make like $30 on this hand or are you trying to stack somebody.

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Final Pot: $37

You can stack people with check-raises as well. I am confident somebody will bet this flop. I very much like to survey action in multi-way pots before I act. The check-raise can kill action from AKo, but so can a $30 lead from a decent player against another decent player. How often are you stacking someone with TPTK here anyway?

My point is, I don't have a standard play after checking. It depends on the action that follows the check.

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

From my experience, from both sides, it's much much harder to get away from TPTK if you are lead into on the flop

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

I probably bet 35 on the flop, no big deal though. Check is not awful either because you can get ppl behind you and the raiser but I definitely prefer to lead.

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From my experience, from both sides, it's much much harder to get away from TPTK if you are lead into on the flop

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I agree, and I do this a lot with my sets against fewer opponents and with stronger reads.

Betting full pot is insane to me, though. I rarely lead for a lot more than half. I want my bet to appear as a weak lead for a cheap turn on a flush draw so I can get raised big. Leading for less also lets missed hands, like UI AKo and underpairs, raise trying to represent the bigger hand. They'd be much less inclined to do this against a PSB.

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

i wouldn't 2nd guess myself. neither of them had anything this time, or felt frisky enough to raise you up. no big deal.

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

see? i AM the thread killer

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

The good news is that you now know that you can make this same move with air.

Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

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Re: I am pissed (not high content, but not exactly low)
 

I like a check raise here, because of the relative postition of the pre flop raiser. If he bets here there are still three other villains left to act after him and I want to trap a couple of them in the middle.