Nine? Calling nine? (table selection, low content)
 

I think I found a good table tonight. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Button is a LAG 98/30/1.5 and is winning money on lucky draws, UTG+1 is LPP 70/4/.3 and is losing money.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (23.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 31.25 BB

I played with intention of working on my weak aggression and slightly weak pre-flop raising. A lot of players were getting caught in the middle of the action on many hands and didn't know how to lay down hands. This table was a gold mine!!

Re: Nine? Calling nine? (table selection, low content)
 

I hate you.

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It's obvious Button has quads, fold the turn.

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LOL. I love your sarcasm.

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Is a 98% VPIP even possible? Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems to me that since seeing a free flop from the BB isn't factored into this stat that this number would have to be under 90% after one orbit.

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Is a 98% VPIP even possible? Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems to me that since seeing a free flop from the BB isn't factored into this stat that this number would have to be under 90% after one orbit.

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What if he raises from the BB every time? Does that count towards VP$IP?

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Is a 98% VPIP even possible? Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems to me that since seeing a free flop from the BB isn't factored into this stat that this number would have to be under 90% after one orbit.

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I had one yesterday where gt+ showed a player had 93% (or 96%?) after about 20 hands.

The guy lucked into a couple wins then got rivered two or three times in a row (holding high card offsuit crap) and said "you guys are killin me" like he was otherwise playing sharp cards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I couldn't stop laughing...

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I ran into a couple of guys this weekend that both saw the flop 100% of the time. One of them lasted about 25 hands and then had no chips left in front of him, I don't remember the other. The next day I went looking for them, found 1 and he had dropped down to 0.05/0.10. I kept the 0.05/0.10 table open for a while without joining in, and he saw every single flop for the couple of orbits that I was watching. I couldn't believe it, first time that I've seen that.

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Too make this complete, at least tell us what he was betting on?

Re: Nine? Calling nine? (table selection, low content)
 

For all interested the button was betting on an Ace high spade flush. I don't have a clue as to what the other guy was betting on.

Good question about the 98% VP$IP, the player was raising a lot as well so I am assuming this goes into the equation. I can post the stats on the player using anonymity if people are interested.

Re: Nine? Calling nine? (table selection, low content)
 

This is a pretty typical hand in micros.

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Is a 98% VPIP even possible? Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems to me that since seeing a free flop from the BB isn't factored into this stat that this number would have to be under 90% after one orbit.

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If the pot is not raised by the time it gets to the BB, it doesn't count as a chance. You can't Voluntarily Put Money In the Pot if you don't have the chance.

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Is a 98% VPIP even possible? Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems to me that since seeing a free flop from the BB isn't factored into this stat that this number would have to be under 90% after one orbit.

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If the pot is not raised by the time it gets to the BB, it doesn't count as a chance. You can't Voluntarily Put Money In the Pot if you don't have the chance.

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I know this already.

Let's say that you played at a 10 person table where it was never raised preflop, and you saw every flop, and always checked in the BB. Then you would only Voluntarily put money in the pot 90% of the time. That's why 98% seems unlikely. But I rethunk it, and it is possible, if someone raise your BB, or you raise out of the BB that would count towards your VP$IP.

However I don't think even some of the loosest players could have a 98% VPIP in the long run.

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However I don't think even some of the loosest players could have a 98% VPIP in the long run.

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Depends on your definition of "long." I've got plenty of buddies that PT shows in excess of 90% VPIP, but most of 'em are of the see-'em-first-on-Saturday-run-into-them-again-on-Sunday-man-I-wish-they-would-come-back variety.

This brings up an interesting question...any way to get a report out of PT ranking players by, for instance, VPIP? %Flop Seen?

Edit: never mind, found it. Ok, let's see, I've got a guy with 93.55 VPIP over 93 hands...98.73 over 79 (holy cow, this guy managed to only lose $8.50 at .5/1)...97.67 over 86...90.32 over 124 (actually won 35 cents!)..of course, most of the players in my PT database are only in double-digit hand counts.

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Is a 98% VPIP even possible? Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems to me that since seeing a free flop from the BB isn't factored into this stat that this number would have to be under 90% after one orbit.

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If the pot is not raised by the time it gets to the BB, it doesn't count as a chance. You can't Voluntarily Put Money In the Pot if you don't have the chance.

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I know this already.

Let's say that you played at a 10 person table where it was never raised preflop, and you saw every flop, and always checked in the BB. Then you would only Voluntarily put money in the pot 90% of the time. That's why 98% seems unlikely. But I rethunk it, and it is possible, if someone raise your BB, or you raise out of the BB that would count towards your VP$IP.

However I don't think even some of the loosest players could have a 98% VPIP in the long run.

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It's the percentage of the time you voluntarily put money in the pot when you have the opportunity to do so.

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I will go ahead and vouch for the +90 VPIP. I was at a table with a player who had 93% after 157 hands in PT. He had a counterpart that had 87%. It was a .25-50 table, and I was able to win 37 bucks there (somehow the 93% guy played almost two hours before leaving and he was down only 5 bucks, amazing)

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It's obvious Button has quads, fold the turn.

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That's weak-tight. The correct play is to cap and river higher quads.

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This is a pretty typical hand in micros.

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where are you playing? i want to go there [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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It's the percentage of the time you voluntarily put money in the pot when you have the opportunity to do so.

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Lol, I know how VPIP is calculated. I'm saying that you probably aren't going to find anyone with a 98% VPIP with a significant sample size. The OP said that one of the villains was a 98, but I chimed in with that's probably from a small sample.

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correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't it take at least 50 hands to even be able to get 98%?

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correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't it take at least 50 hands to even be able to get 98%?

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No you can be a 100% from the first hand you play until forever. You just have to play every hand, and raise your BB if it wasn't raised to you.

I originally just had a little brain fart and thought 98 wasn't even possible since you post the BB once every ten hands, but I forgot if you raise out of the BB or call a raise that it counts toward your VPIP. Which is why I think 98 would be hard to sustain even for the fishiest of the passive fish cause, it's highly unlikely that 8/10 of their BBs are going to be raised to them.