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....according to MSNBC @ 10pm tonight, 10/24......

VP Dick Cheney put Valerie Plame's name into circulation a month before Novak brought it up......

George Tenant supposedly the source of this info to Cheney......

Did Cheney knowlingly feed this info downstream for exposure of Plame?

Being discussed real time at this moment on MSNBC.

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Cheney Told Aide of C.I.A. Officer, Notes Show

By DAVID JOHNSTON, RICHARD W. STEVENSON and DOUGLAS JEHL
Published: October 24, 2005

WASHINGTON, Oct. 24 — I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, first learned about the C.I.A. officer at the heart of the leak investigation in a conversation with Mr. Cheney weeks before her identity became public in 2003, lawyers involved in the case said Monday.

Thanks for the link..........
 

.........It's going to be a very interesting week, methinks.

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Wait, so, Chaney knew about someone leaking her name, before her name came out to the public? Am I understanding this correctly?

This whole thing confuses the hell out of me.

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What is there to understand? Bush/Cheney = EVIL!

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Wait, so, Chaney knew about someone leaking her name, before her name came out to the public? Am I understanding this correctly?

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I don't think so. I think that the implication is that it was from Cheney that Libby first heard Plame's name?

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This whole thing confuses the hell out of me.

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Agreed......That's why I think that this might be a very interesting week.

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What is there to understand? Bush/Cheney = EVIL!



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That certainly clears things up!

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If I understand things right the conversation between Cheney and Libbey was perfectly legal and doesn't implicate the VP at all. What it does is contradict Libbey's reported testimoney that he got the information from a reporter.

IMO the only way this story really becomes a big deal is if The President does not immediately get the resignations of anyone indicted.

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IMO the only way this story really becomes a big deal is if The President does not immediately get the resignations of anyone indicted.

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I heard on righty(I think it was Tony Snow but I'm not sure) radio today that Pres. Bush should promote the people that are indicted. This is if they are indicted for obstuction of justice or prejury. This was one of "the Neo Cons" talking points today.

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I heard on righty(I think it was Tony Snow but I'm not sure) radio today that Pres. Bush should promote the people that are indicted. This is if they are indicted for obstuction of justice or prejury. This was one of "the Neo Cons" talking points today.


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This might be interesting if you'd left out the cheap shot ("righty") and bothered to remember who tha hell made the comment rather than your next shot ("the Neo Cons").

Understand, though, this is just my opinion.

I've got another opinion but it's not really appropriate.

Evil Ratios
 

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I understand.

And what is Cheney/Bush ?

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What is there to understand? Bush/Cheney = Fighting EVIL!

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FYP

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The bigger question is what did Cheney say when he was questioned by Fitzgerald. If he said everything that the Times is reporting then it's no biggy and Libby is the only one to get hammered(It's already been reported that Libby's testimony was less than truthful).
However if Cheney were to have stated the opposite of what the Times is reporting...then that's a whole nother story.

Either way Bush's second term is in the shitter for good and unless we catch Osama Bin Laden...it will go down as a complete [censored]-up.

I for one can't wait to see the Mier's hearings

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I think for the most part people here, and in the media in general, are missing the entire point. Libby gets Plame's name from Cheney. OK, but WHY?

Because her husband completely discredited one of the Adminstrations chief selling points for the Iraq war?
That the entire case for the war in Iraq was fabricated by the WHIG and sold as a bill of goods to the US and Congress?

Is that why Fitzgerald is now expanding his investigation into the clearly forged Niger uranium documents?

It will be a very interesting week. And forget about the Miers hearings. Ain't never gonna get that far.

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I think for the most part people here, and in the media in general, are missing the entire point. Libby gets Plame's name from Cheney. OK, but WHY?

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So people would understand that Wilson got the job for other reasons than his stellar credentials and sleuthing ability.

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So people would understand that Wilson got the job for other reasons than his stellar credentials and sleuthing ability.



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You mean, heaven forbid, his wife recommended him for the job? Nah, that just makes entirely too much sense. I like the Conspiracy Theories (cue background sound effects: dah dah dah daaaaaaaaaaaaaah!) better. Complicated and Machiavellian are waaaaaaaaay cooler.

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>>Is that why Fitzgerald is now expanding his investigation into the clearly forged Niger uranium documents?<<

Wow - explosive stuff.

We've gone from perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy at the highest levels in the White House to Treason and Mass Murder.

If it was proven that the White House knowingly lied about WMD's in Iraq, then every death - the death of every soldier and every civilian - would be tantamount to murder.

Perjury. Obstruction of Justice. Conspiracy. Treason. Mass Murder.

My God, it's unraveling.

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Because her husband completely discredited one of the Adminstrations chief selling points for the Iraq war?

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lol, that's a good one Mt.Small!

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Maybe I don't understand you, but it seems like you're arguing that the 16 words in Bush's State of the Union, that Wilson blew the whistle on in the NYT, were accurate?

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The White House acknowledged for the first time today that President Bush was relying on incomplete and perhaps inaccurate information from American intelligence agencies when he declared, in his State of the Union speech, that Saddam Hussein had tried to purchase uranium from Africa. The White House statement appeared

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From NYT , July 8, 2003

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Maybe I don't understand you, but it seems like you're arguing that the 16 words in Bush's State of the Union, that Wilson blew the whistle on in the NYT, were accurate?

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You don't understand and that's not what I'm arguing.

Unless you believe that that the entire case of WMD's was about the Niger uranium, you can't agree with Mt.Small's point that Wilson "completely discredited" the WMD argument.

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....according to MSNBC @ 10pm tonight, 10/24......

VP Dick Cheney put Valerie Plame's name into circulation a month before Novak brought it up......

George Tenant supposedly the source of this info to Cheney......

Did Cheney knowlingly feed this info downstream for exposure of Plame?

Being discussed real time at this moment on MSNBC.

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Just to throw this out there. It is NOT illegal for Cheyne to know Plame was in the CIA and/or was covert (whether he did or not know BOTH is irrelevant). Second, it is NOT illegal for Cheyne to TELL his Chief of Staff this information.

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Just to throw this out there. It is NOT illegal for Cheyne to know Plame was in the CIA and/or was covert (whether he did or not know BOTH is irrelevant). Second, it is NOT illegal for Cheyne to TELL his Chief of Staff this information.

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Isn't Cheyne a chick who does pro wrestling? I think we need to figure out how she got access to classified information.

I'm looking at YOU, Colonel Mustafa!

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Just to throw this out there. It is NOT illegal for Cheyne to know Plame was in the CIA and/or was covert (whether he did or not know BOTH is irrelevant). Second, it is NOT illegal for Cheyne to TELL his Chief of Staff this information.

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Isn't Cheyne a chick who does pro wrestling? I think we need to figure out how she got access to classified information.

I'm looking at YOU, Colonel Mustafa!

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Way to address my point. My poor spelling is not really all that applicable to the situation.