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I looked at my affiliate account today, and any code in which there is just one player under will not display their MGR. While slightly annoying, it actually seems like a rather good idea on their part, and doesnt totally F over their affiliates...

anyone else get this, have thoughts?

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Can you really see the MGR stats for codes with MORE than one signup? Because I can't, and that's what irks me...i have certain codes with dozens of signups under them, and even they're displayed as N/A*

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Well I can see the stats for any "active" code, which I think is defined by a real money player signup this month as best I can tell.

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Same here. In fact, I have codes with several hundred players on them which are listed as n/a.

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looks like you can only view it if you have a real money signup during the span that you specify in your search.

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While slightly annoying, it actually seems like a rather good idea on their part, and doesnt totally F over their affiliates...


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Doesn't just totally F over the affiliates? LOL. Affiliates ships just came in. All the people the signed up under rakeback deals can just be told to F off now. This is the stupidest solution to an unexistant problem I have ever seen. Reward all the people who were breaking the rules according to them and screw over the best CUSTOMERS. Way to go Party Poker. This is your first step towards coming down from up top. Do they understand how many players play on Party because of rakeback and wouldn't otherwise?

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N/A*- Tracker wise MGR not available for display for this tracker for this time period. The total MGR displayed includes the MGR for all trackers under Revenue share Deals. Why?


<font color="red"> Why:
"Partypoker.com does not endorse the practice of rake back. We reserve the right to withhold displaying trackerwise data for trackers which do not have active players. Your MGR statistics will be displayed when your tracker has one or more active accounts." </font>


therefore, let's say that someone has 1 or 2 rakebacks under them and a BUNCH of non-rakebacks under them.

the solution is for the affiliate to ask the 1 or 2 rakebacks to please go get a deal at another skin. that means that party will lose accounts to the other skins imo.

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Is this for Empire too, or just party?

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Oh please let it be only for Party... I'm on Eurobet.

It's funny, cause I was trying hard to get BACK on Party Poker cause I love the tourneys. But if from now on, I won't be able to get rakeback, that's a no-go.

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I looked at my affiliate account today, and any code in which there is just one player under will not display their MGR.

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I'm not sure I understand. It's not displaying MGR....does this mean they're not getting paid for this referral or just that it's not displaying?

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While slightly annoying, it actually seems like a rather good idea on their part, and doesnt totally F over their affiliates...


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Doesn't just totally F over the affiliates? LOL. Affiliates ships just came in. All the people the signed up under rakeback deals can just be told to F off now. This is the stupidest solution to an unexistant problem I have ever seen. Reward all the people who were breaking the rules according to them and screw over the best CUSTOMERS. Way to go Party Poker. This is your first step towards coming down from up top. Do they understand how many players play on Party because of rakeback and wouldn't otherwise?

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They don't care...

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"Partypoker.com does not endorse the practice of rake back. We reserve the right to withhold displaying trackerwise data for trackers which do not have active players. Your MGR statistics will be displayed when your tracker has one or more active accounts."

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I looked at my affiliate account today, and any code in which there is just one player under will not display their MGR.

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I'm not sure I understand. It's not displaying MGR....does this mean they're not getting paid for this referral or just that it's not displaying?

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Affiliates are getting paid (actually, some are not, but that's a seperate issue from a few weeks ago)

The problem is that they are not reporting tracker-specific revenue amounts. This makes it impossible to figure out how much is owed to which players.

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The problem is that they are not reporting tracker-specific revenue amounts. This makes it impossible to figure out how much is owed to which players.

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thank you. this sums it up perfectly

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I looked at my affiliate account today, and any code in which there is just one player under will not display their MGR.

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I'm not sure I understand. It's not displaying MGR....does this mean they're not getting paid for this referral or just that it's not displaying?

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Affiliates are getting paid (actually, some are not, but that's a seperate issue from a few weeks ago)

The problem is that they are not reporting tracker-specific revenue amounts. This makes it impossible to figure out how much is owed to which players.

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I have several trackers because I have several bonuses. I had no idea you could see the MGR of each player!!
darn, I missed that...
I'm glad I never started the rake back. The best advice I got was from Granny: keep it all for yourself why give it back? And that's what I do [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] No trouble at all.

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So what does this mean for my rakeback at PSO??

Is Party really ready to lose thousands accounts?

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The problem is that they are not reporting tracker-specific revenue amounts. This makes it impossible to figure out how much is owed to which players.

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Now each affiliate will just have to build up a massive datamining operation to determine how much each player is playing. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The problem is that they are not reporting tracker-specific revenue amounts. This makes it impossible to figure out how much is owed to which players.

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Now each affiliate will just have to build up a massive datamining operation to determine how much each player is playing. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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LOL. This play, in my opinion, is brilliant.

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Is Party really ready to lose thousands accounts?

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Obviously.

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Looks like the trust level between affiliates and clients will have to go up a notch.

The players may have to send screenshots of pokertracker monthly to their affiliates. That has worked for me so far on a smallish scale.

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So what does this mean for my rakeback at PSO??

Is Party really ready to lose thousands accounts?

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That is not a topic for discussion here. Please post in the PSO forum.

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Or the affiliates will just refuse to pay out any rakeback. Seems like a good deal for both the affiliates and Party. So basically the player gets screwed. Brilliant strategy by Party...

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Or the affiliates will just refuse to pay out any rakeback. Seems like a good deal for both the affiliates and Party. So basically the player gets screwed. Brilliant strategy by Party...

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This assumes that the player will continue to play there. Obviously the players will go somewhere else. Party definitely loses, and it's got to be hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of revenue every month that they are voluntarily turning away.

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Party does give rakeback its called cashing in your points at a penny a pop........ [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This assumes that the player will continue to play there. Obviously the players will go somewhere else. Party definitely loses, and it's got to be hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of revenue every month that they are voluntarily turning away.


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Firstly, the players won't leave, they didn't leave when the rake went up in the first place, they won't leave now.

Secondly, it won't cost Party much, other than the fact that they will find it easier to float their stock.

Thirdly, I told you all so.

Lori

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Thirdly, I told you all so.

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Umm...you weren't the only one. However, I didn't think it would take this long.

Tuco.

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Umm...you weren't the only one. However, I didn't think it would take this long.

Tuco.


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Agreed on both counts to be fair.

Lori

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This is 100% pure speculation...

I know Party has consistently proven their management to be not forward thinking. However, I will be surprised if all other skins do not follow suit soon (under pressure from P).

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Player's that are making 3500$ per month will leave. Party has known exactly what's been going on the whole time, it's been a wink wink relationship.

Bottom line is, everyone in this industry looks out for their own interests. I'm sure there will always be a home for players that produce 12000$ a month in rake.

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Player's that are making 3500$ per month will leave

Players that are making $3500 per month in rakeback almost certainly can't afford to leave.

Lori

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Player's that are making 3500$ per month will leave

Players that are making $3500 per month in rakeback almost certainly can't afford to leave.

Lori

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But they might hop over to some other skins if they haven't already.

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Player's that are making 3500$ per month will leave

Players that are making $3500 per month in rakeback almost certainly can't afford to leave.

Lori

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But they WILL hop over to some other skins if they haven't already.

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Thirdly, I told you all so.

You seem to take a lot of pride in this. While you've been patiently waiting to say 'I told you so', many players have been making tens of thousands of dollars in rakeback. You really showed them.

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Player's that are making 3500$ per month will leave

Players that are making $3500 per month in rakeback almost certainly can't afford to leave.

Lori

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But they WILL hop over to some other skins if they haven't already.

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I fixed your post.

But they WILL hop over to some other sites if they haven't already.

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If playing at Party/skins with rakeback is no longer an option, we will be leaving. There are other viable options, that will become much stronger if Party pushes us out the door.

I can't understand why Party can't see that rakeback is win-win? Many players have morphed into 8-12 tablers because of the rakeback incentive. Without the incentive we will play less tables, at higher stakes, or take our action elsewhere.

Whatever cosmetic changes Party is going through in preparation for going public won't fool anyone who has been paying attention.

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I just logged in to see what was happening and I got "Your Affiliate Account is under investigation."

Nice.

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Player's that are making 3500$ per month will leave

Players that are making $3500 per month in rakeback almost certainly can't afford to leave.

Lori

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But they might hop over to some other skins if they haven't already.

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this won't do any good when Party bans rakeback at all skins. this is just a matter of time.

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Many players have morphed into 8-12 tablers because of the rakeback incentive.

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I think the idea that having hundreds of 8 to 12 tabling “seat plugs” playing the top 9 or 10% of their hands is good for the games, and therefore good for the site, is open to debate.

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Many players have morphed into 8-12 tablers because of the rakeback incentive.

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I think the idea that having hundreds of 8 to 12 tabling “seat plugs” playing the top 9 or 10% of their hands is good for the games, and therefore good for the site, is open to debate.

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So maybe they just bar winning players, and let the fish
trade money around to get rake.

Oh, damn. That would create new winners that would need
to be barred, too. Do you see why?

Maybe maximizing tables maximizes rake, as long as it
does not get so tight the fish won't play.

I'll let others elaborate......

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And of course you can not 8-12 table with out violating Party's Terms and Conditions since you must have accounts at more then one skin to do so. Everyone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar - deal with it.