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Was playing at Bellagio and Wynn on a recent Fri / Sat Vegas trip. At both places there were incidents where I had a significantly larger than zero chance of getting tossed, nothing awful but enough to make me wonder how often / likely that is.

Here are the situations, all involve significant amounts of alcohol of course. At the Wynn, there was this nitty old tourist who I decided should be referred to as old man winter. He didn't like that nickname as was made clear. At one point he is asking me to step outside and fight him, which is highly, highly amusing on multiple levels. Dealer, an older woman who was absolutely atrocious calls the floor to talk to me. She says I'm not allowed to curse and mock other players, this of course is news to me. Floor comes over to talk, I am a guest at the Wynn, floor knows this. He pulls me aside, I explain what happens, he pretty much apologizes and says the dealer is due for a break soon but does request that I stop referring to the nit as old man. I go back to my seat and reluctantly do as agreed.

At the Bellagio, two friends are obviously checking down / soft playing. They raised me out of a pot, then check each other down. One has a monster, one has nothing. I do not like this, I am also far from sober so I make my feelings known with a few f-bombs thrown in. Dealer does not like this and makes it clear that if I continue speaking that way, I am gone. Floor is not called cause both players were terrible and I did not want a scene or delay.

Is either case really such that they'd kick a player out? I can't say I've ever noticed that happening but am not a regular B&M player. Regardless, when I do go to a B&M, such behavior is fairly mild and pretty standard. I would think a player would need multiple visits from the floor before getting tossed for language / abuse.

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Why not just control yourself?

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Abusing other players is unacceptable -- including calling someone a silly nickname. Cursing I feel less strongly about when it's just "Oh [censored]" and not directed at someone.

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...There was this nitty old tourist who I decided should be referred to as old man winter.

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I couldn't stop laughing after reading this line...not very nice, but very creative...better than typical names you hear thrown around [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Regardless, when I do go to a B&M, such behavior is fairly mild and pretty standard.

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Pretty standard? had no idea. You need to stop drinking while you play.

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Abusing other players is unacceptable -- including calling someone a silly nickname. Cursing I feel less strongly about when it's just "Oh [censored]" and not directed at someone.

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I completely agree with the second part of this, but you really consider referring to someone as "old man winter" abuse? If so, you're as nitty as he is.

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Berating players as you just described is grounds to be thrown out. I have had opponents thrown out for doing this. Some get multiple warnings, others are thown out on the first complaint.

Getting upset over suspected collusion is different. You should have better handled that situation. The suspected colluders would have been the ones getting the warning.

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Maybe if you weren't acting like an [censored] you woudln't have such a problem?

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Berating players as you just described is grounds to be thrown out. I have had opponents thrown out for doing this. Some get multiple warnings, others are thown out on the first complaint.

Getting upset over suspected collusion is different. You should have better handled that situation. The suspected colluders would have been the ones getting the warning.

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where does he say he berated anyone?

Edit: i'm not saying he wasn't being a complete ass.

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you seem like a complete tool.

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Berating players as you just described is grounds to be thrown out. I have had opponents thrown out for doing this. Some get multiple warnings, others are thown out on the first complaint.

Getting upset over suspected collusion is different. You should have better handled that situation. The suspected colluders would have been the ones getting the warning.

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where does he say he berated anyone?

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I would think a player would need multiple visits from the floor before getting tossed for language / abuse.

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I'm sure you'll find out firsthand soon enough.

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Berating players as you just described is grounds to be thrown out. I have had opponents thrown out for doing this. Some get multiple warnings, others are thown out on the first complaint.

Getting upset over suspected collusion is different. You should have better handled that situation. The suspected colluders would have been the ones getting the warning.

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where does he say he berated anyone?

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nicknaming some nit "old man winter" is not "berating" someone. Neither, necessarily is the use of the f-bomb over collusion. The collusion part may have been berating them but it doesn't explicitly say that. If someone were colluding, I may say, "What the [censored]?" That's not berating them.

Again, I'm not saying the op wasn't being a complete ass here, just that none of this sounds "abusive" to me.

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I think the answer to your question can be found here.

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Saying it once or twice in jest is fine. Repeating it again and again when it's clear it's annoying the guy is abuse. Most of this is just common sense. Basically, your right to swing your arm ends where the other guy's nose begins.

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Berating players as you just described is grounds to be thrown out. I have had opponents thrown out for doing this. Some get multiple warnings, others are thown out on the first complaint.

Getting upset over suspected collusion is different. You should have better handled that situation. The suspected colluders would have been the ones getting the warning.

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where does he say he berated anyone?

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nicknaming some nit "old man winter" is not "berating" someone. Neither, necessarily is the use of the f-bomb over collusion. The collusion part may have been berating them but it doesn't explicitly say that. If someone were colluding, I may say, "What the [censored]?" That's not berating them.

Again, I'm not saying the op wasn't being a complete ass here, just that none of this sounds "abusive" to me.

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and that's why this entire thread serves as a reminder that i should always bring headphones to the table with me.

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Berating players as you just described is grounds to be thrown out. I have had opponents thrown out for doing this. Some get multiple warnings, others are thown out on the first complaint.

Getting upset over suspected collusion is different. You should have better handled that situation. The suspected colluders would have been the ones getting the warning.

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where does he say he berated anyone?

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nicjnaming some nit "old man winter" is not "berating" someone. Neither, necessarily is the use of the f-bomb over collusion. The collusion part may have been berating them but it doesn't explicitly say that. If someone were colluding, I mayb say, "What the [censored]?" That's not berating them.

Again, I'm not saying the op wasn't being a complete ass here, just that none of this sounds "abusive" to me.

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Ok, this is taking a wrong turn.

1. I am a jerk / tool whatever, I know this, thank you all for reminding of this.
2. I was not berating. An old nit who was horrible for the game found himself with a nickname. I will make players bad for the game feel uncomfortable, players good for the game feel welcome, this is standard. See point #1 if you do not like this.
3. With the collusion, I did not berate, my response was something like "what the [censored], that is [censored] you cheating [censored]", again standard. They know I know and I know they know I know or such.
4. I am a drunk not an alcholic, alcoholics go to meetings. My behavior with zero drinks actually may have been much worse. See point #1.

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Saying it once or twice in jest is fine. Repeating it again and again when it's clear it's annoying the guy is abuse. Most of this is just common sense. Basically, your right to swing your arm ends where the other guy's nose begins.

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As far as I'm concerned your last sentence is completely correct and that's the only thing that's really abuse. But I understand the casinos want to keep as many people happy as possible and make it an enjoyable expereince for everyone. Still unless he's loud and yelling it across the table at the guy or something, then calling a silly nickname for someone "abuse" is just the epitomy of nittiness.

Again, I'm not defending the op. My guess is he was just generally being a drunken ass and this was an excuse.

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Ok, this is taking a wrong turn.

1. I am a jerk / tool whatever, I know this, thank you all for reminding of this.
2. I was not berating. An old nit who was horrible for the game found himself with a nickname. I will make players bad for the game feel uncomfortable, players good for the game feel welcome, this is standard. See point #1 if you do not like this.
3. With the collusion, I did not berate, my response was something like "what the [censored], that is [censored] you cheating [censored]", again standard. They know I know and I know they know I know or such.
4. I am a drunk not an alcholic, alcoholics go to meetings. My behavior with zero drinks actually may have been much worse. See point #1.

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since it's clear that you and some others don't know what "berate" actuatlly means, here's a hint:

berate: to scold severely; upbraid.
upbraid: to reproach or criticize harshly.
reproach: to rebuke, blame, or shame.

if you don't believe that #3 counts (and arguably #2 as well) as berating, you have more problems than i already thought.

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I'm sure you've been properly flammed but I have to admit I laughed out loud at this one.
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there was this nitty old tourist who I decided should be referred to as old man winter.

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Ok, this is taking a wrong turn.

1. I am a jerk / tool whatever, I know this, thank you all for reminding of this.
2. I was not berating. An old nit who was horrible for the game found himself with a nickname. I will make players bad for the game feel uncomfortable, players good for the game feel welcome, this is standard. See point #1 if you do not like this.
3. With the collusion, I did not berate, my response was something like "what the [censored], that is [censored] you cheating [censored]", again standard. They know I know and I know they know I know or such.
4. I am a drunk not an alcholic, alcoholics go to meetings. My behavior with zero drinks actually may have been much worse. See point #1.

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since it's clear that you and some others don't know what "berate" actuatlly means, here's a hint:

berate: to scold severely; upbraid.
upbraid: to reproach or criticize harshly.
reproach: to rebuke, blame, or shame.

if you don't believe that #3 counts (and arguably #2 as well) as berating, you have more problems than i already thought.

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Is that you old man winter? I had no idea you were a 2er.

But seriously, thank you for your thoughts but as you have zero value to add to this thread, please stop posting to it. Thank you.

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Remember the Jim Rome/Jim Everett interview where he kept calling him "Chris Everett" and finally Jim Everett came after him? If we're playing poker, I guarantee I can get you riled with just non obscene words. Whether it's going ethnic, going appearence, going age,sexuality or whatever else you may be sensitive about. It's not hard to raise someone's blood pressure -- stopping when it's clear that banter has begun to get someone enraged is something I've done loads of times in casino games. I don't want to play at tables where everyone is nuts -- even if there may be some short term value in tilting opponents, the long term value to my enjoyment of the game and expectation is negative. Again, it's just common sense.

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Is that you old man winter? I had no idea you were a 2er.

But seriously, thank you for your thoughts but as you have zero value to add to this thread, please stop posting to it. Thank you.

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i just taught you what the word "berate" actually means since you clearly had no idea ... there's plenty of "value" right there. or do you need a definition for that word too?

are you actually trying to deny that your actions don't meet those definitions?

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if you don't believe that #3 counts (and arguably #2 as well) as berating, you have more problems than i already thought.

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#3 was definitely berating. i do know what berating means. there was not specific evidence prior to this that he actually berated a anyone.

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But seriously, thank you for your thoughts but as you have zero value to add to this thread, please stop posting to it. Thank you.

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Your OP adds almost zero value to this forum. It seems like you're merely looking for attention, just like at the tables.

Your question and, I assume, the point of your post:

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Is either case really such that they'd kick a player out?

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Obviously not, since they didn't kick you out.

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I would think a player would need multiple visits from the floor before getting tossed for language / abuse.


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I think common sense would tell you that it depends on the severity of the language/abuse and depends on the card room management. What they tolerate varies widely. But since there are a lot of drunk attention whores like yourself at the tables these days, I doubt that what you did would result in being thrown out in very many places unless you continued after being warned.

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I am also far from sober so I make my feelings known with a few f-bombs thrown in. <snip> Floor is not called cause both players were terrible and I did not want a scene

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haha

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Abusing other players is unacceptable -- including calling someone a silly nickname. Cursing I feel less strongly about when it's just "Oh [censored]" and not directed at someone.

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I completely agree with the second part of this, but you really consider referring to someone as "old man winter" abuse? If so, you're as nitty as he is.

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Calling him 'old man winter' is okay, until the point when he makes it known that he doesn't like it. After that it is abuse, and he should be ejected.
If I ran a cardroom, I would have 0 tolerance for any type of impolite behavior. It's amazing how well people behave when they know it won't be tolerated. Just go to any European cardroom. Such a breath of fresh air from American ones.

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Remember the Jim Rome/Jim Everett interview where he kept calling him "Chris Everett" and finally Jim Everett came after him? If we're playing poker, I guarantee I can get you riled with just non obscene words. Whether it's going ethnic, going appearence, going age,sexuality or whatever else you may be sensitive about. It's not hard to raise someone's blood pressure -- stopping when it's clear that banter has begun to get someone enraged is something I've done loads of times in casino games. I don't want to play at tables where everyone is nuts -- even if there may be some short term value in tilting opponents, the long term value to my enjoyment of the game and expectation is negative. Again, it's just common sense.

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This is all very reasonable, and I agree. I'm just saying there's a line. Obviously racial slurs or cursing are over that line. I don't think "old man winter" is over that line. It bothers me when people try to censor me by deciding the line is someplace ridiculous. I can't control everything people are sensitive about and people being nitty shouldn't be my problem. By the way, I'm actually pretty quiet at the table most of the time. I don't make up names for people, berate them or really talk other than pleasantries. I just thought calling this abuse seemed silly. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Just go to any European cardroom. Such a breath of fresh air from American ones.

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Except, of course, literally.

#3 is berating, but is anyone seriously contending that berating colluders is out of line?

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I will make players bad for the game feel uncomfortable, players good for the game feel welcome,

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The problem with your behavior, is that it makes the players who are good for the game feel unwelcome, and will only antagonize those who are bad for the game to be worse for the game. It seems that you see yourself on the "good for the game" category, but you obviously are not.

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There are better ways to deal with colluders... ways that will win you the respect of the floor and preserve a comfortable situation in the game.

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#3 is berating, but is anyone seriously contending that berating colluders is out of line?

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No. But expressing a legitimate gripe admist a sea of obscenities is dumb.

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mocking strangers is pretty bloody pathetic.

trying to prevent collusion is fine, but there are a million better ways to do it than dropping a bunch of f-bombs and acting like a dick.

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Not only should you be kicked out, you should be kicked in the head as well. If you don't know that it's against the rules to be abusive to other players, you need to go back to playing on the Internet.

Try acting like an adult.

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So YOU judge for all of US that a player is bad for the game? No thanks, I'd like to make up my own mind.

Also, if a guy is bad for POKER, why would you berate him about something that is NON-POKER related? His age makes him a bad poker player? No. Make fun of his playing, I might be able to not hate you. Making fun of his age is pathetic.

Making fun of someone due to their old age is as pathetic as making fun of a baby for being young.

Grow up, sober up, give up.

P.S.: I consider you and people like you bad for poker.

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Remember the Jim Rome/Jim Everett interview where he kept calling him "Chris Everett" and finally Jim Everett came after him? If we're playing poker, I guarantee I can get you riled with just non obscene words. Whether it's going ethnic, going appearence, going age,sexuality or whatever else you may be sensitive about. It's not hard to raise someone's blood pressure -- stopping when it's clear that banter has begun to get someone enraged is something I've done loads of times in casino games. I don't want to play at tables where everyone is nuts -- even if there may be some short term value in tilting opponents, the long term value to my enjoyment of the game and expectation is negative. Again, it's just common sense.

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This is all very reasonable, and I agree. I'm just saying there's a line. Obviously racial slurs or cursing are over that line. I don't think "old man winter" is over that line. It bothers me when people try to censor me by deciding the line is someplace ridiculous. I can't control everything people are sensitive about and people being nitty shouldn't be my problem. By the way, I'm actually pretty quiet at the table most of the time. I don't make up names for people, berate them or really talk other than pleasantries. I just thought calling this abuse seemed silly. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Calling someone "old man winter" once, while rude, isn't abuse. Doing it again and again after the "old man" has made it clear he doesn't want to be called that is just abuse. This isn't a buddy that you can call "[censored]" all the time. If I continually did it to a stranger, he'd have the right to get upset.

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Dude if you're gonna get tossed from the poker room at least make it for something fun and not because you're being an [censored].

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Calling someone "old man winter" once, while rude, isn't abuse. Doing it again and again after the "old man" has made it clear he doesn't want to be called that is just abuse. This isn't a buddy that you can call "[censored]" all the time. If I continually did it to a stranger, he'd have the right to get upset.

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Just because he gets upset doesn't make it "abusive". This is just idiotic. You're saying anything someone doesn't like is abusive. Your comparison is ridiculous. "Old man winter" is not the same as "[censored]". People need to stop being so pathetic. It's like they're just looking for something to cry about.

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Dude if you're gonna get tossed from the poker room at least make it for something fun and not because you're being an [censored].

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Now this is the type of [censored] I want to hear about. What is something fun? Any examples?

Also what happens when they toss you for being an ass? They don't trespass you I wouldn't think, what if you're a guest?

Any further thoughts on how close I was to actually being tossed? I think it was low in both cases, at the Wynn, the floor was very cool and even apologetic that I had to miss a hand.

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Now this is the type of [censored] I want to hear about. What is something fun? Any examples?

Also what happens when they toss you for being an ass? They don't trespass you I wouldn't think, what if you're a guest?

Any further thoughts on how close I was to actually being tossed? I think it was low in both cases, at the Wynn, the floor was very cool and even apologetic that I had to miss a hand.

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Can I ask why you're so obsessed with this topic? Do you just need attention?

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Now this is the type of [censored] I want to hear about. What is something fun? Any examples?

Also what happens when they toss you for being an ass? They don't trespass you I wouldn't think, what if you're a guest?

Any further thoughts on how close I was to actually being tossed? I think it was low in both cases, at the Wynn, the floor was very cool and even apologetic that I had to miss a hand.

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Can I ask why you're so obsessed with this topic? Do you just need attention?

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I find it slightly more interesting than questions of where to stay at in vegas, flashing hole cards, or IWTSTH. I'm sorry you feel differently.